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IQ denialism is as bad a climate change denialism.
Kaiserschmarrn wrote:It's the FDA and CDC together that messed up. The US always insists on creating its own test (not unusual, many countries do), so the CDC was naturally the first in the US who produced a testing protocol.
At the start of Feb, the FDA gave the CDC exclusive authorisation, meaning that other labs could now use its protocol with the CDC providing kits to the labs, but the CDC sent out dysfunctional tests at first, one of the ingredients (reagents) was apparently faulty. The next EUA approval only happened at the end of Feb. See FDA website.
Kaiserschmarrn wrote:Trump was wrong and no help, although he has been far from alone in denying the problem and downplaying the situation.
Kaiserschmarrn wrote:However, the lack of testing was predominantly an institutional cock-up of epic proportions.
Kaiserschmarrn wrote:Just want to clarify and repeat that it's important that Trump was no help, because it's very likely that political leadership would have impacted the actions of the FDA.
Kaiserschmarrn wrote:Furthermore, the States could have risen to the challenge individually as well and some, e.g. Illinois, seem to have done so much sooner than others, e.g. New York.
Sivad wrote:His March 24, 2020, article in the Wall Street Journal questions the premise that “coronavirus would kill millions without shelter-in-place orders and quarantines.” In the article he suggests that “there’s little evidence to confirm that premise—and projections of the death toll could plausibly be orders of magnitude too high.”
Finfinder wrote:What is your point liberals don't own stock they don't work for corporations they don't own companies and they hate wealth and money? Are your trying to blame conservatives or you are happy that conservatives are being damaged or both? What is the point of this?
annatar1914 wrote:Ah, but for one thing, the anti-war protestors were not protesting the war out of concern for the Indochinese in the slightest, but a feigned hypocritical concern masking cowardice at the prospect of being drafted into the war. This was born out by the results of the fall of South Vietnam, the boat people, etc... And the Cambodian genocide instigated by the Khmer Rouge. Nobody cared about the Indochinese after the end of the war and the draft for America, least of all the Anti-War people, and you yourself now, using them to score political points against your eternal enemy.
MistyTiger wrote:Conservative presidents tend to focus on the stock market and economy. And as we all know, Trump is a greedy, fat cat at heart and always will be. Bush Jr seemed to be an exception...he was focused on killing terrorists and trying to annihilate terrorism.
I like to laugh at stupid conservatives. Valuing money over human lives will not get them far.
Your uncle was no loser annatar. He was an honorable man who served his country during a time of war. If he didn't go, somebody else would have had to go in his place. You are correct, a lot of those people who were protesting the Vietnam War simply lacked the courage to go themselves and all they thought or cared about were themselves. They were too afraid to go. They didn't want to accept the responsibilities that comes with being a citizen of this country which sometimes might mean being drafted to serve during a time of war.
Your uncle shielded many Americans from the trauma of war by going. Plus, on top of that, even though South Vietnam fell, if we didn't take a stand in Vietnam; Thailand, which was also fighting a communist insurgency in it's own country (and they helped us in Vietnam) would have probably fell to a communist dictatorship itself. That is probably the case of other countries too like the Philippines for example.
In places like Thailand where there was a real possibility they would have became a communist dictatorship, they regard American soldiers as heroes. Even the Russians themselves acknowledge that other countries would have fell to communism had the US not intervened in Vietnam as part of our policy of containment. Your uncle is a hero and never forget that. It is never acceptable to disrespect any of our war veterans. He was an honorable and great man. Be tremendously proud of your uncle. He was a brave man.
These people here are clueless man and don't let them bother you. I think if we really wanted to, we could have won in Vietnam. We certainly had the military might and means to do so. The leaders at the time didn't want to risk creating a wider war with China and maybe the Soviet Union that could have possibly turned nuclear by actually using our full military might to essentially invade and occupy North Vietnam.
We never invaded and occupied North Vietnam even though we could have if we wanted. We didn't lose any major battles over in Vietnam. We just basically left without being defeated on the battlefield. North Vietnam might have won the war, but they can't legitimately claim for the most part to have militarily defeated us on the battlefield by winning any major battles against our forces on the battlefield like they did with the French. Your uncle is part of the reason why some of those countries in the Pacific and Southeast Asia aren't a communist dictatorship today. Always be proud and stand proud for your uncle. Never let anybody take that away from you.
QatzelOk wrote:I lived for two years with a Vietnamese student whose wife had a baby while he was finishing his PhD. His baby, like most in the part of Vietnam where he was from, had to undergo a number of tests to ensure that not too much genetic damage from the poisons that are still present in the soil and water supply.
Your idea that "no one cares about the Vietnamese" must be part of your military education. Or maybe it's just capitalism's damage to your soul.
Politics_Observer wrote:You are correct, a lot of those people who were protesting the Vietnam War simply lacked the courage to go themselves and all they thought or cared about were themselves.
The thread is not about IQ or intelligence. I only mentioned IQ and the concept that a man can be a woman if he chooses to do so as examples where the left does not get simple basic science.
Politics_Observer wrote:I don't think Bush is a bad person, but I think he thought our occupation of Iraq was going to be easier than it turned out to be.
The bright side of the whole mess is that at least Saddam is no longer in power. I do think Iraq is better off without Saddam but I question the wisdom and the premise of the costly invasion to begin with.
Godstud wrote:@Hindsite OK... I guess you, with your near genius, don't get the gist of what I am saying.
The CDC makes recommendations for treatments, and that includes which drugs should be used.
Pants-of-dog wrote:The only thing that Trump did early was institute a travel ban from China. Since that date, undocumented migrants from China continue to arrive.
Godstud wrote:Just because they are using some anti-malarial drugs to fight the disease does not mean people should start stocking up on these things when the information regarding treatment is anecdotal, and not clinical.
Godstud wrote:If Trump handles things even slightly OK, it will help him immensely in Nov.
Finfinder wrote:Wait where is John Bolton?
late wrote:PBS did a big show on Vietnam recently, you should watch it.
jimjam wrote:Epidemiologists trying to get a handle on the coronavirus threat appear to have been caught off guard by the immediate politicization of their work, the claims that they were perpetrating a hoax designed to hurt Trump, or promote socialism, or something. But they should have expected that reaction, since climate scientists have faced the same accusations for years. And while climate-change denial is a worldwide phenomenon, its epicenter is clearly here in America: Republicans are the world’s only major climate-denialist party.
jimjam wrote:What lies behind Republican science denial?
jimjam wrote:Christian leaders like Jerry Falwell Jr., who dismissed the coronavirus as a plot against Trump, then reopened his university despite health officials’ warnings, and seems to have created his own personal viral hot spot.
NEW YORK CITY — None of the nine New York cases tested for coronavirus originated in New York City, but Health Commissioner Dr. Oxiris Barbot hopes the deadly virus will appear in the city "sooner rather than later."
"Having that person diagnosed can help New Yorkers breath a sigh of relief," said Barbot said at a press conference Tuesday afternoon. "The unknown is what drives people's fears."
Barbot took the opportunity to dispel what she called "misinformation" circulating on social media: that Chinatown should be avoided and that there was scientific evidence proving the virus could be contracted from a person not exhibiting symptoms.
"There is no reason to avoid subways or restaurants or to change your daily routine," Barbot said.
Only New Yorkers with flu-like symptoms who have traveled within the past two weeks to the Wuhan area of China, where coronavirus first began its spread earlier this month, should contact their doctors, Barbot said.
late wrote:I am drawing an analogy about killing Americans. This will kill more Americans than the Vietnam conflict.
late wrote:The one time I saw that personally, the person doing it was Republican.
late wrote:2) Are dragging up that old racist meme from a couple decades ago, the Bell Curve?
late wrote:Truman, Ike, LBJ, and Nixon were not liberals.
Julian658 wrote:All I said is that the left does not believe in the idea that some people are way smarter than others.
Politics_Observer wrote:Bush is a good man but he did under-estimate what war really was and the costs of war initially in his Presidency. I also believe he was focused on Iraq rather than where it needed to be in Afghanistan to kill or capture Bin Laden and other Al-queda members as well as ensure that Afghanistan doesn't become a safe haven for terrorists again. He took his eye off he ball by adventuring off into left field somewhere in Iraq for god only knows why.
SpecialOlympian wrote:What we did in Vietnam was monstrous and it is amazing that we have friendly relations with them now and can visit their country without being pelted with rocks.
SpecialOlympian wrote:We literally sent our dumbest Liberty University graduates to run Iraq post-invasion and here is what they did:
-De-Ba'athification, which ensured nobody who knew how to do anything was appointed to any meaningful position. You literally had to join the Ba'ath party to even teach grade school.
SpecialOlypian wrote:The only way to address this is not through mindless praise of the military, but by deep introspection into why we send young men to kill and die for no reason and how we can prevent that from ever happening again.
SpecialOlypian wrote:I would also like to note that no matter what @annatar1914 has said about the protestors who called his uncle a babykiller, Annatar has never positively asserted that his uncle never killed a baby.
Scientists will do anything for money just like senators or prostitutes.
Facts are so stubborn that we should wait for them to actually exist. Oh wait... You can't, or won't.
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