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#15081662
B0ycey wrote:Shocker alert. Flying the flag of Israel. Starmer has Ter's support.


Actually, no.
I would have preferred that little blond woman with the glasses to be the new chairperson, to continue Bae Corbyn's policies, therefore assuring another decennium in opposition.
But OK, BoJo will be there for the foreseeable future anyway.
#15081671
Ter wrote:Actually, no.
I would have preferred that little blond woman with the glasses to be the new chairperson, to continue Bae Corbyn's policies, therefore assuring another decennium in opposition.
But OK, BoJo will be there for the foreseeable future anyway.


The Coronavirus will make Corbyns policies more popolar than ever when unemployment reach historic levels. You think Tory policies can survive four years of negative growth whilst families are on a bread line? I don't.

Starmer is exactly what we need now. A Socialism program, someone friendly to our continental friends, business friendly and most importantly someone with no baggage for the opposition to exploit. We're borrowing big for Covid 19, we may as well keep borrowing a build up our nationalised interests. Clearly Corbyns plan was indeed affordable after all.
#15081673
B0ycey wrote:The Coronavirus will make Corbyns policies more popolar than ever when unemployment reach historic levels. You think Tory policies can survive four years of negative growth whilst families are on a bread line? I don't.

Starmer is exactly what we need now. A Socialism program, someone friendly to our continental friends, business friendly and most importantly someone with no baggage for the opposition to exploit. We're borrowing big for Covid 19, we may as well keep borrowing a build up our nationalised interests. Clearly Corbyns plan was indeed affordable after all.

Socialist policies will make the unemployment permanent.
#15081677
B0ycey wrote:Who built the UK up after WW2? The government or private enterprise? Duh! :roll:

Both but private enterprise did the heavy lift.

You guys want permanent high unemployment anyway. That's your base the unemployed. If people are dependent on rationing then they will have to vote for the commissars who do the rationing.
#15081692
SolarCross wrote:...but private enterprise did the heavy lift.


Did it bollocks. Without the Marshall plan we wouldn't have funded anything. It certainly would have kept unemployment high significantly and left us in a heap of shit for a few decades. Private enterprise wasn't the corporations you see today either FYI. It was dreamers trying to make ends meat. Not employment of the masses. Although I guess there was one or two factories in large towns and cities that employed most of their residence. Although whether the residence could afford to buy their products would largely depend on whether they were working. With again leads to government action and policies to get them working. Or in laymen terms socialism programs.

You guys want permanent high unemployment anyway. That's your base the unemployed.


High unemployment favours the bourgeois not the proletariat. :roll:
#15081695
B0ycey wrote:Did it bollocks. Without the Marshall plan we wouldn't have funded anything. It certainly would have kept unemployment high significantly and left us in a heap of shit for a few decades. Private enterprise wasn't the corporations you see today either FYI. It was dreamers trying to make ends meat. Not employment of the masses. Although I guess there was one or two factories in large towns and cities that employed most of their residence. Although whether the residence could afford to buy their products would largely depend on whether they were working. With again leads to government action and policies to get them working. Or in laymen terms socialism programs.

So private enterprise did the heavy lift with subsidies raised from private enterprise in taxes or just printed up as fake money. Yes let us all worship the economic genius of taxmen and counterfeiters without whom mankind would never have progressed beyond grunting ape status.

B0ycey wrote:High unemployment favours the bourgeois not the proletariat. :roll:

Lol, that's retarded. Where do you get this shit? Seriously where do you get this shit? I want an actual source.
#15081701
SolarCross wrote:So private enterprise did the heavy lift with subsidies raised from private enterprise in taxes or just printed up as fake money. Yes let us all worship the economic genius of taxmen and counterfeiters without whom mankind would never have progressed beyond grunting ape status.


I don't even know this bullshit means but socialist projects pretty much built the UK you know today from housing, landscaping, networks, hospitals and even manufacturing. Some of it has been sold off but not to any great success.

Lol, that's retarded. Where do you get this shit? Seriously where do you get this shit? I want an actual source.


Marx as it happens. Reserve army of Labor. But simple logic suggests it's true. The greater the workforce asking for jobs, the lower the wage to the proletariat due to competition and the more they are exploited due to economic necessity.
#15081706
B0ycey wrote:I don't even know this bullshit means but socialist projects pretty much built the UK you know today from housing, landscaping, networks, hospitals and even manufacturing. Some of it has been sold off but not to any great success.

Nationalist projects. Where do you think the taxes that pay for all that come from?

B0ycey wrote:Marx as it happens. Reserve army of Labor. But simple logic suggests it's true. The greater the workforce asking for jobs, the lower the wage to the proletariat due to competition and the more they are exploited due to economic necessity.

lol, the great retarded prophet of retards. Unemployed workers are not making profits and if they are being supported by taxes they are increasing the tax burden on those still working. DUH! Jesus, could marxtards be more retarded? :lol:
#15081708
B0ycey wrote:The Coronavirus will make Corbyns policies more popolar than ever when unemployment reach historic levels. You think Tory policies can survive four years of negative growth whilst families are on a bread line? I don't.


It sounds like Brexit should be called off. It makes no sense at all when economy will be in bad shape for years after the coronavirus pandemic ends.
#15081709
SolarCross wrote:Nationalist projects. Where do you think the taxes that pay for all that come from?


During WW2 the money came from the Yanks. The Brits couldn't buy a pot to piss in in 1948. And Today it will come from buying their own bonds from themselves. Either way neither socialism projects (assuming the Tories do incorporate a "new deal" project), with be funded by incorporate tax.

lol, the great retarded prophet of retards. Unemployed workers are not making profits and if they are being supported by taxes they are increasing the tax burden on those still working. DUH! Jesus, could marxtards be more retarded? :lol:


Did I mention profits? Did you? No, you claimed it was the proletariat that benefits from unemployment and I corrected you that it will be the bourgeois. :roll:

YOU DON'T EVEN KNOW WHAT YOU WERE ARGUING ABOUT DUHHHHHH!!
#15081711
fokker wrote:It sounds like Brexit should be called off. It makes no sense at all when economy will be in bad shape for years after the coronavirus pandemic ends.


Ahem brother. Today we see how important continental unity is. And yet we will still server our noses off for the sakes of stupidity. Although I suspect the economic downturn of Covid 19 will dwalf even Brexit so much that I doubt anyone will notice the difference.
#15081740
B0ycey wrote:Starmer is exactly what we need now.

If the chicken coupers crowing is anything to go by, you will be back to two Tory parties government in no time.

You think Tory policies can survive four years of negative growth

They will blame Labour as usual.

Apropos, rumour has it that Starmer is willing to take the political blowback from Operation Coronavirus Cock-up if he gets to play second fiddle to Boris in a National government.


:lol:
#15081837
ingliz wrote:If the chicken coupers crowing is anything to go by, you will be back to two Tory parties government in no time.

They will blame Labour as usual.

Apropos, rumour has it that Starmer is willing to take the political blowback from Operation Coronavirus Cock-up if he gets to play second fiddle to Boris in a National government.


If leftists are so uncompromising, nothing short of a violent revolution (as happened in various instances of history) that they could be in power, and by holding that power they will probably need to be as brutal as Nazis had been (also, as happened in various instances of history).

Is this a bad thing? I should think so, but under some circumstances I don't. I just want to see if the aforementioned violence is also what these leftists expect to do if things go against their way too much.
#15081853
Patrickov  wrote:Is this a bad thing?

Doing a 'Clegg' is not a good thing for Labour.

Liberal Democrats (2015) 8 seats

Liberal Democrats (2010) 57 seats


:lol:
#15081856
ingliz wrote:Doing a 'Clegg' is not a good thing for Labour.

Liberal Democrats (2015) 8 seats

Liberal Democrats (2010) 57 seats


:lol:


The "bad thing" refers to my interpretation of the criticism against Starmer (i.e. how hard-line leftists can get and hold power), not the prediction on what Starmer would do.
#15081857
ingliz wrote:If the chicken coupers crowing is anything to go by, you will be back to two Tory parties government in no time.


Doesn't sound like crowing to me.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-52169648

Also I too would like to know what exactly the exit strategy is. That isn't a question aimed at you ingliz but merely my own musing. These measures are fine but to be effective they would have to last a significant amount of time and that would have a huge effect on the supply chain and economy or they should have been more stringent like Wuhan which effects liberty but gets results in two months. And if the measures are to be lessened they risk a second wave which defeats the whole point in weakening the spread. Either way what is to take priority? What is more important? Health or economy? What are we planning on doing when cases drop and what do they think will happen there after. Time to be honest with people. Some people think these measures are going to eradicate the virus and that simply isn't true and just looking at every model suggests this could last over a year.
#15081866
B0ycey wrote:the exit strategy

Boris fucked up, early on, when he had the chance to nip it in the bud. Now that it's everywhere there is no exit strategy and that is why it is a very silly idea, politically, for Labour to jump into bed with the Tories.

Like I've said before politicians holding the parcel will be blamed when the music stops, whatever happens. It will be more luck than judgement if the number of deaths hit that sweet stop between not doing enough and an overreaction.

Labour should play the odds and keep well out of it.


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