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Rancid wrote:FOr the cases that result in death, does anyone know how many days typically pass between first day of symptoms until death?
Lack of evidence on SARS-CoV-2 transmission dynamics has led to shifting isolation guidelines between airborne and droplet isolation precautions. During the initial isolation of 13 individuals confirmed positive with COVID-19 infection, air and surface samples were collected in eleven isolation rooms to examine viral shedding from isolated individuals. While all individuals were confirmed positive for SARS-CoV-2, symptoms and viral shedding to the environment varied considerably. Many commonly used items, toilet facilities, and air samples had evidence of viral contamination, indicating that SARS-CoV-2 is shed to the environment as expired particles, during toileting, and through contact with fomites. Disease spread through both direct (droplet and person-to-person) as well as indirect contact (contaminated objects and airborne transmission) are indicated, supporting the use of airborne isolation precautions.
Although this study did not employ any size-fractionation techniques in order to determine the size 25 range of SARS-CoV-2 droplets and particles, the data is suggestive that viral aerosol particles are produced by individuals that have the COVID-19 disease, even in the absence of cough. First, in the few instances where the distance between individuals in isolation and air sampling could be confidently maintained at greater than 6 ft, 2 of the 3 air samples were positive for viral RNA. Second, 66.7% of hallway air samples indicate that virus-containing particles were being 30 transported from the rooms to the hallway during sampling activities. It is likely that the positive air samples in the hallway were cause by viral aerosol particles transported by aersonnel exiting the room (16,17). Finally, personal air samplers worn by sampling personnel were all positive for SARS-CoV-2, despite the absence of cough by most patients while sampling personnel were present.
https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101 ... 20039446v2
Kaiserschmarrn wrote:That sounds very much like NZ until very recently.
I'm still hoping Australia will end up choosing elimination as well.
This article in the NZ Medical Journal sheds some light on the decision making in NZ (and in passing that of other countries as well):
This provides an answer to some questions I've had for some time. It also explains why almost all western countries, including NZ at first, have acted quite similarly. The deviations from the default pandemic plans, which are based on influenza, are to some extent a function of each government's responsiveness to new information.
Of course, as the article points out, if our plan doesn't work, we might still have to go for mitigation/suppression eventually.
At least, we may not be spared more lock down measures in the future, considering Singapore has had to introduce stricter measures a few days ago as well: https://www.moh.gov.sg/news-highlights/details/circuit-breaker-to-minimise-further-spread-of-covid-19
New York's social distancing order is unscientific and an embarrassment, which requires everyone to keep 6 feet of from each other in public. Police officers are enforcing it like Muslims cracking down on violators of the Islamic dress code. New research suggests 6 feet of social distancing may not be enough. COVID-19 could be aerosol-transmitted, which means the tiny particles that carry the virus stay in the air much longer than previously thought. When a person coughs or sneezes, germs travel about 6 feet. However, germs that carry viruses can travel much farther to 20 feet away by breathing or talking. Simply wearing a surgical mask is the best defence if you have to go out for grocery shopping in an affected area.
B0ycey wrote:Plenty of Brexiteers in the Tory camp. Raab for one. But he is getting the best care so don't write him off yet.
Good luck to him and all the victims in the next few months. He's a Clown but doesn't deserve this I guess.
Godstud wrote:@Hindsite The masks you got are likely only for particulates and not good enough vs a virus. You need N95. Mind you, anything is better than nothing.
skinster wrote:Would be cool if he dies.
Hindsite wrote:Yes you are right. I looked on the package for the masks and it says Particulate Mask Dust/Nuisance Mask RST-54000.
AFAIK wrote:The N95 masks restrict oxygen flows so can not be worn for prolonged periods.Partially true. Oxygen molecules pass easily thru the mask, but you shouldn't wear them for more than a few hours at a time without a break.
Rich wrote:I suspect a number of cabinet ministers will share your sentiments. "If the ball were to come free from the scrum" as Boris himself put it. A time of acute crisis always produces the threat of a rival emerging and outshining the Prime Minister. This is why Dominic Raab has been asked to deputise, aside from the Xi virus itself, Hancock is clearly the main threat to Boris. Whenever people start talking about "This isn't a time for politics" you can be pretty show that this is a time of intense political struggle.
Rancid wrote:Irony is, that many of the same people that would complain about say, the US (or Russia, or China for that matter) using this crisis for advancing a political agenda (as all nations do), are the same people that are hoping Boris dies, for... none other than political reasons.
Funny, huh? However, I think this comes from people that simply don't know how to think practically/realistically and think too highly of themselves (and don't realize it).
Tainari88 wrote:I am having a good time playing a lot with my boy. I am his only playmate. Hee hee. He is reading his books to me out loud.
I ran out of gas for my stove. I got to call the gas replacement folks.
Tainari88 wrote:Boris Johnson is not well liked by his enemies. Politics is about people acting foolishly. Shaking hands is not good.
President Trump is defunding the WHO and correctly accused it of being too cozy with the communist party.
Drlee wrote:never mind damaging the US's reputation in the world.
Drlee wrote:Trump does not do empathy. He does not do sympathy. The fact that his withholding money could kill tens of thousands of people won't matter to him one whit.
Sadly, his followers will not care either. For the most part they are uncaring, xenophobic and generally not smart enough to see how this decision to withhold money during a pandemic will take lives never mind damaging the US's reputation in the world.
Drlee wrote:Meanwhile civilized countries like China and Cuba...
Drlee wrote:The behavior of Trump and his followers borders on genocidal. (And I do not use that term lightly.)
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