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By late
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"For hospitals already in bad financial shape before the outbreak, the loss of income has raised doubts about their ability to keep treating patients...

“I’m concerned about the [financially] weakest 25 percent of hospitals, because there’s no way the other hospitals can absorb their covid patients”

“If they start going down, that changes the whole algebra for the size of the system to handle the pandemic,” Fox added. He worries that a surge in patients could overwhelm more stable hospitals. “That’s when you’re treating people on the front lawn.”

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/starved-for-cash-hospitals-and-doctor-groups-cut-staff-amid-pandemic/2020/04/09/d3593f54-79a7-11ea-a130-df573469f094_story.html
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Or this is just plastic surgeons and other private medical facilities for non-essential treatment jockeying for bail-out money. 'Cascade failure'. :lol:
By late
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The Sabbaticus wrote:
Or this is just plastic surgeons and other private medical facilities for non-essential treatment jockeying for bail-out money.

'Cascade failure'.



Medical facilities have been going under since the 80s. This is a long term trend that the disease is speeding up.

Which could lead to a cascade failure. One would hope Republicans would step up and do their job. But that's not something they do when they can avoid it.
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By blackjack21
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late wrote:Medical facilities have been going under since the 80s.

So you mean Bill Clinton wasn't able to do anything to stop that in the 1990s, and Barack Obama could do anything about that either?

late wrote:This is a long term trend that the disease is speeding up.

Which could lead to a cascade failure.

This disease isn't speeding it up, because Congress has already pledged to pay for coronavirus treatments. It's uninsured illegal immigrants showing up at emergency rooms that cause the problem. That's why hospitals without emergency rooms are doing just fine. It's also why the urgent care business started.

late wrote:One would hope Republicans would step up and do their job.

And the Democrats too. Kick the illegal aliens out of the country.

late wrote:But that's not something they do when they can avoid it.

Yep. Democrats too. That's why Trump beat them all and became president.
By late
#15083336
blackjack21 wrote:

This disease isn't speeding it up, because Congress has already pledged to pay for coronavirus treatments. It's uninsured illegal immigrants showing up at emergency rooms that cause the problem. That's why hospitals without emergency rooms are doing just fine. It's also why the urgent care business started.




"For hospitals already in bad financial shape before the outbreak, the loss of income has raised doubts about their ability to keep treating patients...

“If they start going down, that changes the whole algebra for the size of the system to handle the pandemic”


The current level of support is not geared to saving hospitals in trouble. That is, one might say, 'a pre-existing condition'.

There is a mitigating circumstance. The states where this will be the worst will mostly be Republican states. Manchin has already started to sweat in WV over this... Republicans might ignore this in a Democratic state, but they can't afford to ignore it in Hickville USA.
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By quetzalcoatl
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blackjack21 wrote:So you mean Bill Clinton wasn't able to do anything to stop that in the 1990s, and Barack Obama could do anything about that either?


Oh, you mean Democrats and Republicans are both useless? Duh...


It's uninsured illegal immigrants showing up at emergency rooms that cause the problem.


You know, your guy has been in office 3 years. He has complete control of ICE. Why hasn't he eliminated immigration?
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By Puffer Fish
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I've warned about this before. Cascading failure.

Basically there are laws that force hospitals to treat non-paying patients. Some states have these laws, but on the federal level there is a requirement that any hospital that accepts Medicare also has to do this. (Medicare is basically the taxpayer subsidized plan that pays for old people, so it would be nearly impossible for the hospital to stay open if they lost eligibility for that)

So when one hospital shuts down, all those poor people who would have gone to that hospital end up getting pushed off on the closest surrounding hospitals. Sometimes these hospitals are themselves in a very financially precarious situation, and can't afford to take on more non-paying patients. That could force another hospital to close, with more financial pressure now on the remaining hospitals in the area.

What health policymakers are concerned about is low income areas or areas with high rates of poverty not having access to any nearby hospitals. This can mean long wait times in the ambulance, and can even be a matter of life and death, in some individual situations.

Imagine a network of pillars holding up a great weight, and you remove one of those pillars. Well, now the closest pillar to where that previous pillar used to be is going to be under a lot more strain and weight, and could break. Then the weight will be shifted to another pillar, almost certainly causing it to break.
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