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Independent wrote:Three Conservative MPs have been reprimanded for sharing a misleading video of Keir Starmer from a “far-right” Twitter account.

Edited footage showing the Labour leader discussing grooming gangs was posted on Twitter on Thursday by health minister Nadine Dorries, assistant government whip Maria Caulfield and Lucy Allan.

A spokesperson for Downing Street said: “The MPs involved have been spoken to by the whips’ office and reminded of their responsibility to check the validity of information before they post on social media.”

Ms Dorries and Ms Allan, the MP for Telford, had already deleted their posts amid a deluge of criticism, while Ms Caulfield’s Twitter account was taken offline during the furore.

The account responsible for the original post – which had thousands of shares – also disappeared. The video was viewed more than 239,000 times before the @NJamesWorld account was suspended.

Keir Starmer more popular than Boris Johnson for first time- poll

The footage, dating from Sir Keir’s time as director of public prosecutions in 2013, showed him announcing new guidelines on charging grooming gangs.

But it had been edited to remove the start of the interview where he was asked to give examples of the “wrong approach”, making him appear to justify failure to believe child victims.

The shortened clip was posted by a Twitter account that frequently shares posts on far-right topics and conspiracy theories.

Ms Dorries shared the tweet on Thursday morning with the caption “revealing”, while Ms Allan wrote that it suggested “a dismissive attitude towards CSE [child sexual exploitation] victims and a belief that the victims brought it on themselves”.

Ms Caulfield, the MP for Lewes, shared the video with the caption: “True face of the Labour leader, shameful.”

A Labour Party spokesperson said: “This is a doctored video tweeted by far-right social media account. We hope that any Conservative politicians sharing the video acknowledge this and take it down.”

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Ms Dorries’ tweet was deleted on Thursday morning, shortly before the account that posted the video disappeared
The government has issued repeated warnings about online disinformation during the coronavirus pandemic.

The official “share checklist” advises people to watch out for misleading videos, adding: “When shared, false information can take on a life of its own and have some serious consequences. It can lead to health scares, false accusations and potentially damaging hoax stories.”

The controversy came after Sir Keir garnered favourable reviews for his questioning of Boris Johnson over the government’s handling of coronavirus, in his first prime minister’s questions.

A headline in the conservative Daily Telegraph read: “Keir Starmer took Boris Johnson apart like a Duplo train set”.

Sir Keir was the director of public prosecutions from 2008 to 2013, when the scale of child sexual exploitation in Rotherham, Rochdale and other areas became publicly known.

He ordered a restructuring of how the Crown Prosecution Service (CPS) dealt with grooming gang cases and admitted that victims had been failed.

In an interview with Channel 5 News in June 2013, he announced new guidelines, which he said recognised “that the approach that has been taken in the past was the wrong approach”.

He saw previous guidance “was based on a number of assumptions which don’t withstand scrutiny”, adding: “The guidelines change that and they require the police and prosecutors to focus intensely on the allegation actually being made and not so much on the weaknesses or vulnerabilities that are invariably there in some of the victims who come forward.”

He was then asked by the interviewer to give examples of what the wrong approach was.

In his response, which was isolated in the video shared by Ms Dorries and others, he said the wrong approach “included the assumption that a victim of child sexual abuse will swiftly report what happened to them to police, will be able to give a coherent and consistent account first time, that they will not themselves have engaged in any offending or other behaviour and that they will not have misused drugs or alcohol at any stage”.

The video was cut before the end of Sir Keir’s comment, where he continued: “Those assumptions do not withstand scrutiny. They’ve got to change, the guidelines make that clear and so this is a clear break with the past.”

The guidelines made important changes to how the credibility of complainants was considered, meaning that “bad behaviour”, previous convictions and drug and alcohol abuse could not be used to dismiss their allegations.

Nazir Afzal, a former chief prosecutor who initiated charges against a grooming gang in Rochdale, said the video’s suggestion that Sir Keir did not take child sexual abuse seriously was wrong.

He wrote on Twitter: “I can assure you that he and I put right the failings of a generation of those who should have safeguarded children. He inherited failure and left success.”

The controversy came after footage of Sir Keir joining Thursday’s Clap for Carers tribute outside his home was misused to accuse him of “clapping for the cameras”.

He was criticised for asking a cameraman whether he had got “what he needed”, but the man later revealed Sir Keir was checking whether he could move out of shot to get his daughter from across the road.

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skinster wrote:Keir Starmer sucks and should retire.


Again with your Corbyn bias and not willing to admit the truth:

Aggregate of polls. Latest one shows that Labour is within 5-6% of Conservatives. God Bless Sir Keir Starmer. The Gap is narrowing and he is catching up from the awful deficit that Corbyn created.

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ingliz wrote:Who gives a shit if a Labour government is just the Tory government sporting red rosettes?


:lol:

That's just how Britain is, it seems, it must be good for you not to live there. I tend to believe the whole Corbynite experience was only good for assuring Brexit and Corbyn must have been either an agent or a useful idiot.
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ingliz wrote:Who gives a shit if a Labour government is just the Tory government sporting red rosettes?


:lol:


If you are a hardcore lefty then i guess you don't. But if you are everyone else from soft-left to centre right then you can be more happier than you were before. ;)
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The Labour Party is centre left, and should stay there. I couldn't be more happy that Keir Starmer is now leader, because hard though it is to see it in our current miserable circumstances, there is light at the end of the tunnel.

Andrew Murray served on the executive committee of the Communist Party until he resigned to become Jeremy Corbyn's chief advisor.

Bad idea.
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The Tories must be pretty desperate to resort to such dirty tricks. Bojo is clearly failing his first real test and Cummings' dirty trick department doesn't improve things. Even if he isn't quite as bad as Trump, Bojo is after all only a conman.

Starmer is a different caliber. My money is on him bringing Labour back to power.
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Patrickov wrote:To be fair if BoJo cannot display solidarity with someone so loyal to him / someone he's so loyal to, can anyone be expected to be loyal to him?

This is a damage that he has to take no matter what, and he knows that.

That's corruption though just not in a material manner. Bojo is getting what he has deserved.
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skinster wrote:https://twitter.com/SocialistVoice/status/1267240809528807427?s=20



:lol:

No.


Wait, wait. When Starmer took over it was 20 points deficit. Even your poll shows 8 points while the median shows around 10 and positive trend. What is your point?
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It's amazing how clueless the hard left are. They destroy themselves every times with their weird arrogance.

Skinster was actually certain Corbyn would win. They never made any attempt to recruit or persuade outside their circle. Just shout and hurl insults.

Anyways, it's over now. Labour and the tories are probably still further apart than the majority of parties in the western world. Much more so than the USA for sure.
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layman wrote:Skinster was actually certain Corbyn would win.


Labour led by Corbyn could've won in 2017 and leading today, if not from the attacks from pretty much everywhere, including from the rightwing of the party who we know were campaigning to lose, as per the Labour Leaks report.

Anyways, it's over now.


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He could never have won, skinster. He just didn't have it in him to lead the Labour Party, let alone run the country, but I did hope there would at least be a hung Parliament. His dithering and procrastination put the kibosh on that, not to mention his wild promises to spend , spend , spend.

He never gave the impression he was in charge.
No matter how kindly and well meaning, he was totally useless.

He could have ended the accusations of anti Semitism which plagued the party by sacking everyone involved, which is what he should have done, but didn't have the balls to do.

Anyway, he's gone and the Labour Party is all the better for it.

He looks far more comfortable in the back benches.

Why do you say Keir Starmer sucks? He's already beating up Boris, which has got to be good.
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snapdragon wrote:He's already beating up Boris, which has got to be good.

Does it matter, though? Boris will be gone by next year (Brexit and the virus will do for him) and the Tories will put up another twat to take his place, and pretend it's a 'new' government, and the media will big up the twat, and Starmer will continue to tack to the right, and the electorate will vote Red Tory or Blue Tory.

:lol:
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