@Verv Regarding playing devil's advocate, you choose your battles, I know lots of your great posts as well and no you have not changed in this sense, back then you would still play the same advocate for the same sides and it mattered less because the center was a lot further to the left than it is now, now the pole has moved so far to the right that you are dipping your toes in real fascism in real life. Standing your ground for injustice is never a right thing to do for whatever reason and especially when the bottom line -which is always the most important thing of all- is so clear. Your policing has a problem, your presidential office has a problem and there are a lot of other problems that are screaming in your face. We should have the conversation on what needs to be done to solve this problem, not why it is justified. That should be the content of the conversation in a normal & healthy social group. Not why the psychopathy is normal.
I see your point and am very glad that you acknowledge my own.
I have to be honest, I am somehow out of the loop. Obviously, I see
that the contrast here is far more stark between left/right, and the nature of the conversations are more extreme
... But I am still out of the loop because I do not feel it.
Maybe this is because of a failure of myself to express empathy and to rather just focus on points.
I think it is also because, while I do have empathy, I have felt social pressure and even instances of betrayal from people who I htink have mistreated me, some of my friends, and even my father for their views. My father lost a friend of over 50 years because of a political disagreement between my father and his friend's wife. He lost another friend of over 30 years for the same thing, and hearing these things upset me a lot more than experiencing my own smaller versions of social fallout.
Of course, everyone has experienced this, left and right.
And this may be something that makes us more bombastic and less empathetic int he way that we engage.
I actually spent much of the evening thinking about what you, Drlee, Unthinking Majority, and other posters said, not just in this thread, but in other palces over the last months. I couldn't stop thinking about it -- while we just know each other from DUH INTERNET, it's always been more than that, and in the year 2020, I think people everywehre recognize that these relationships are significant...
So, I think the best way to deal with this is for me to emphasize the fullness of my views instead of focusing on the contention points, and to, of course, try to post more like I used to in general, with more off-topic romanticism.