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Donna wrote:Yea, you have racist political views, that's why you're called a racist.

What part of my political views are racist? I think you are just making stuff up.
Don't you know that I am a Christian?
Praise the Lord.
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Donna wrote:Imagine believing that the secret to not being a hypocrite is to embrace tu quoque fallacies.


You people really don't have any grasp whatsoever of basic logic. Pointing out hypocrisy isn't a fallacy. It's only fallacious when hypocrisy is used as evidence against a claim.
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Sivad wrote:You people really don't have any grasp whatsoever of basic logic. Pointing out hypocrisy isn't a fallacy. It's only fallacious when hypocrisy is used as evidence against a claim.


Pointing out hypocrisy is therefore irrelevant, since it has nothing to do with the argument.

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On topic:

    Mythical buses full of bloodthirsty antifa protestors are causing panic in rural counties throughout the country — even though there’s no evidence they exist. The Associated Press has catalogued at least five separate rural counties where locals have warned of imminent attacks, although none of the rumors have been substantiated. Notably, the rumors are often tailored to a specific local region, a “hyperlocal” approach sometime used to boost the spread of misinformation on social media platforms.

    NBC News first reported on the recent surge of antifa-related misinformation, some of which was promoted by white nationalist groups posing as antifa accounts. But even after the rumors were debunked, they continue to spread on Facebook, often inspiring real-life confrontations and instances of violence.

    In Forks, Washington, a multi-racial family of four was harassed by armed locals, who believed they represented an antifa incursion. The family had arrived in town on a camping trip, traveling in a full-sized school bus. Local police say they were confronted by “seven or eight carloads” of people, who aggressively questioned them about their antifa connections. When the family attempted to drive off, locals felled trees across the roadway to prevent them from escaping. They were only able to leave after a group of students intervened.

    In other cases, everyday bus charter businesses have been pulled into the confusion, treated as presumed troop convoys until proven otherwise. On Wednesday, an Idaho fleet services business was targeted by a minor panic, after a debunked rumor claimed incoming agitators were targeting the state. One local posted a picture of his bus on Facebook as evidence of the antifa incursion, claiming “this bus was full of them.”

    “If anyone sees a post about my bus, please flag it,” the company owner posted on Wednesday. “Nolan was driving home from work and someone posted it saying it’s full of antifa.”

    Elsewhere, the misinformation has come from sheriffs themselves. In Curry County, Oregon, Sheriff John Ward told his department’s Facebook followers, “I got information that three buss [sic] loads of Antifa protestors are making their way” into the county — although he added, “I don’t know if the rumors are true or not.”

    He called on civilian volunteers to help defend the town, should the buses materialize. “Without asking I am sure we have a lot of local boys too with guns that will protect our citizens and their property.”

    Ward took down the post after harsh criticism from Facebook commenters. He insists it was not intended as a call to arms. It’s unclear where Ward got his original tip about the incoming buses — including the specific location and number — but it appears to have come through a similar chain of rumors. “Our county attorney forwarded me a post from somebody,” he told local reporters, “and it was sent to him by another attorney that is kind of a private attorney.”

    The rumors have been particularly lively on Facebook. One post, written by a previously unknown outlet called DC Dirty Laundry, claims to have discovered specific plans to bus large numbers of “antifa terrorists” into a small town called Sparta, Illinois, “where they will be directed to target rural white Americans by burning farm houses and killing livestock.” The article names specific routes that the buses will be taking (sourced to “highly reliable individuals”), and claims Illinois was targeted because restrictions on gun ownership have “transformed the state into a shooting gallery for Antifa terrorists.”

    The post is a credited reprint of an earlier report from Natural News, a notorious anti-vaccination outlet that has been banned from posting on Facebook. But syndicating the article to a new URL seems to have completely evaded those restrictions, allowing the post to travel widely on Facebook. Links to the DC Dirty Laundry post have been shared more than 1,000 times since Thursday, including by fan groups for President Trump, Candace Owens, and Rush Limbaugh.

    Sparta’s sheriff addressed the rumors on Friday, saying “we have no evidence leading us to believe this threat is at all credible.” Facebook did not immediately respond to a request for comment.

    In some ways, the panic has been stoked by the federal response to protests, which continues to pose antifa groups as a primary driver of the ongoing unrest. This week, President Trump announced his intention to designate antifa as a terrorist group, but neither the FBI nor the Department of Homeland Security have any available intelligence to back up the assertion. None of the 22 criminal cases filed in connection with the protests have shown any ties to antifa groups.

    But in a statement last week, Barr warned of traveling antifa cells similar to those described by Natural News. “In many places, it appears the violence is planned, organized, and driven by anarchistic and far left extremists,” Barr said, “using Antifa-like tactics, many of whom travel from out of state to promote the violence.”

    It’s a more restrained version of the rhetoric used by President Trump, who has used antifa as a political foil since early in his campaign. “It’s ANTIFA and the Radical Left,” he tweeted on the same day. “Don’t lay the blame on others!”

https://www.theverge.com/2020/6/5/21281 ... sts-police
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Opinion | Trump's Attacks on Antifa Are Attacks on Jews

American Jews cannot support Trump's 'war' on anti-fascism and his camp's conspiracy theories about the 'hidden hand' behind legitimate protest and dissent.

When Joel Feingold, a housing-rights organizer and editor, was arrested for breaking curfew June 3 outside his Brooklyn home, he expected to be interviewed by cops, as he had been a part of the anti-police racism and brutality protests for most of that day. What he didn’t expect at the 78th Precinct was to be interviewed by a federal agent about his political beliefs.
The questions about the politics of the protest movement were chilling. Eventually, they told Feingold they just wanted him to help them find out who was "hijacking" the movement. Feingold said nothing. "It had a serious authoritarian feel," he told me in a phone interview. "Having a federal agent asking about the politics of the situation felt authoritarian. This is further evidence of the deepening authoritarianism and flirtation with fascism of this government."

Feingold isn’t alone. As activist attorneys have reported, local and federation agents have interrogated several arrested protesters about their political inclinations, including what their stance is towards anti-fascism.
The police interest in anti-fascism isn’t academic. It’s in lockstep with the narrative being pushed by the White House. As the protests triggered by the killing of George Floyd have raged, with as many as 11 protesters dead by police hands nationwide, President Donald Trump announced he would designate Antifa – short for anti-fascist – as a "domestic terrorist organization."
To start with, Trump’s statement about Antifa is absurd on multiple levels. It isn’t clear he has the legal authority to do so.

And Antifa isn’t an organization, but a philosophy that guides anti-fascist street organizing. Who is its leader? What is its structure? Where is it based? How do you become a member? These questions have no answers because there are none. But no matter: it's certainly filler for Trump’s campaigning.


In the thread, "African-American Asphyxiated by Police in Minneapolis,"I noted that redcarpet seemed to be echoing talking points that I had been reading all over Twitter this weekend:

1. Antifa had nothing to do with the riots

2. Antifa is not an organization

3. Antifa are like Americans who fought in WW2

4. It’s white supremacist posing as Antifa who are behind the riots

If Antifa isn't a group, then why do they have so many affilitates in many cities in the US, and why does Rose City Antifa call themselves a "a group closed to members only?"

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How does one join a non-existent group?

Trump’s public statement about Antifa should be terrifying, as any attempt to vilify anti-fascism by nature defends fascism a positive thing. But picking on anti-fascists as the scapegoat and hidden hand of the ongoing unrest is inherently anti-Semitic.
As the ADL reported, conspiracies about George Soros funding the unrest abound on the anti-Semitic American far-right.

Fox News host Tucker Carlson, who serially expresses extreme anti-immigrant views and flirtations with white nationalism, blasted Trump for his inaction in response to the protests, blaming the White House’s weakness on Trump’s son-in-law, Jared Kushner, the administration’s most prominent Jew. Trump’s most recent of many instances of overt anti-Semitism was his praise of the "good blood lines" of Nazi-admirer, eugenicist and infamous anti-Semite Henry Ford.


The Forward came out with an interesting article after Charlottesville called The Original ‘Antifa’ Was A Jewish Anti-Nazi Militia.

It seems rather strange that these Jewish media outlets, along with traditional non-Jewish mainstream media outlets would be defending antifa in this bizarre way, while simultaneously trying to blame imaginary nazis for posing as antifa for the riots.
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maz wrote:And Antifa isn’t an organization, but a philosophy that guides anti-fascist street organizing. Who is its leader? What is its structure? Where is it based? How do you become a member? These questions have no answers because there are none. But no matter: it's certainly filler for Trump’s campaigning.
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If Antifa isn't a group, then why do they have so many affilitates in many cities in the US, and why does Rose City Antifa call themselves a "a group closed to members only?"

How does one join a non-existent group?
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It seems rather strange that these Jewish media outlets, along with traditional non-Jewish mainstream media outlets would be defending antifa in this bizarre way, while simultaneously trying to blame imaginary nazis for posing as antifa for the riots.

Where has this idea of "affiliates" come from? They don't call themselves affiliates; there's no central organization that calls them affiliates. Their website explains "Rose City Antifa (RCA) was founded in Portland, Oregon in October of 2007. RCA was formed after a coalition of local people and organizations formed the 'Ad-Hoc Coalition Against Racism and Fascism' in order to shut down a neo-Nazi skinhead festival called Hammerfest. RCA continues the work of that Ad-Hoc Coalition and countless others who have worked to oppose racial prejudice, bigotry and fascism in our communities in Portland, Oregon, and the Pacific Northwest more broadly." It's local. "Antifa" is a description of their guiding philosophy; if you find "Conservatives" in the title of several American groups, that does not show there is a "Conservative Organization" or "Conservative Party" that links them all.

I cannot see what is "bizarre" about the articles you link. As for "imaginary nazis posing as antifa", I don't think they have been directlt blamed for the riots, but they aren't imaginary:

A tweet shared widely online during the protests sparked by the death of George Floyd — espousing a plan to bring violence to “residential areas… the white hoods” — was made to appear to be from antifa, the anti-fascist coalition. But the account behind the tweet was actually linked to a white nationalist group, according to Twitter.
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Despite Twitter suspending the account, screenshots of the tweet in question circulated widely on Facebook. It was further shared in stories such as one on the website ConcealedNation.org, which also gained traction on Facebook. And new posts of the screenshot have continued to surface even though the tweet promised the events to occur on May 31.

https://www.factcheck.org/2020/06/viral ... om-antifa/

And that and similar bullshit has succeeded in stirring up the more gullible into harassing innocent people:

‘Antifa bus’ hoaxes are spreading panic through small-town America

Mythical buses full of bloodthirsty antifa protestors are causing panic in rural counties throughout the country — even though there’s no evidence they exist. The Associated Press has catalogued at least five separate rural counties where locals have warned of imminent attacks, although none of the rumors have been substantiated. Notably, the rumors are often tailored to a specific local region, a “hyperlocal” approach sometime used to boost the spread of misinformation on social media platforms.

NBC News first reported on the recent surge of antifa-related misinformation, some of which was promoted by white nationalist groups posing as antifa accounts. But even after the rumors were debunked, they continue to spread on Facebook, often inspiring real-life confrontations and instances of violence.

In Forks, Washington, a multi-racial family of four was harassed by armed locals, who believed they represented an antifa incursion. The family had arrived in town on a camping trip, traveling in a full-sized school bus. Local police say they were confronted by “seven or eight carloads” of people, who aggressively questioned them about their antifa connections. When the family attempted to drive off, locals felled trees across the roadway to prevent them from escaping. They were only able to leave after a group of students intervened.

In other cases, everyday bus charter businesses have been pulled into the confusion, treated as presumed troop convoys until proven otherwise. On Wednesday, an Idaho fleet services business was targeted by a minor panic, after a debunked rumor claimed incoming agitators were targeting the state. One local posted a picture of his bus on Facebook as evidence of the antifa incursion, claiming “this bus was full of them.”

“If anyone sees a post about my bus, please flag it,” the company owner posted on Wednesday. “Nolan was driving home from work and someone posted it saying it’s full of antifa.”

Elsewhere, the misinformation has come from sheriffs themselves. In Curry County, Oregon, Sheriff John Ward told his department’s Facebook followers, “I got information that three buss [sic] loads of Antifa protestors are making their way” into the county — although he added, “I don’t know if the rumors are true or not.”

He called on civilian volunteers to help defend the town, should the buses materialize. “Without asking I am sure we have a lot of local boys too with guns that will protect our citizens and their property.”

https://www.theverge.com/2020/6/5/21281 ... sts-police
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Project Veritas' "expose" of Antifa totally bombed. When will right-wingers admit that they are lying through their teeth about Antifaschistische Aktion, a century-old ad hoc tendency that even grandma can opt-in on a Sunday afternoon?

‘Antifa bus’ hoaxes are spreading panic through small-town America

Mythical buses full of bloodthirsty antifa protestors are causing panic in rural counties throughout the country — even though there’s no evidence they exist.


:lol:
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Where has this idea of "affiliates" come from? They don't call themselves affiliates; there's no central organization that calls them affiliates. Their website explains "Rose City Antifa (RCA) was founded in Portland, Oregon in October of 2007. RCA was formed after a coalition of local people and organizations formed the 'Ad-Hoc Coalition Against Racism and Fascism' in order to shut down a neo-Nazi skinhead festival called Hammerfest. RCA continues the work of that Ad-Hoc Coalition and countless others who have worked to oppose racial prejudice, bigotry and fascism in our communities in Portland, Oregon, and the Pacific Northwest more broadly." It's local. "Antifa" is a description of their guiding philosophy; if you find "Conservatives" in the title of several American groups, that does not show there is a "Conservative Organization" or "Conservative Party" that links them all.


So you admit that antifa tries to shut down people's free speech?

I call them all affiliates since they mostly all share the same political ideology, same goals, dress the same, use the same tactics, have the same political agendas. and use the same iconography. I've seen many antifa Twitter accounts following each other, and they have while they don't have a centralized leader, they do have central points of communication.

One of them is the website It's Going Down. They even have a section on forming antifa groups - [quotel=https://itsgoingdown.org/forming-an-antifa-group-a-manual/]Forming An Antifa Group: A Manual[/quote].

I call them affiliates because if you read their organizational handbook, they refer to themselves as Affinity Groups."

Even USA Today referred to the as "affiliated groups."

What is antifa and what does the movement want?

Antifa – short for "anti-fascist" – is the name for loosely affiliated, left-leaning, anti-racist groups that monitor and track the activities of local neo-Nazis. The movement has no unified structure or national leadership but has emerged in the form of local bodies nationwide, particularly on the West Coast.

Some of the groups, such as the 13-year-old Rose City Antifa in Portland, Oregon,the oldest in the U.S., are particularly well-organized and active online and on Facebook, while its members are individually anonymous.


So who cares if they don't have a known leadership. They operate as strictly anonymous so there is no way that any of us could know if they have a leadership or not. They do have a foundation of sorts that collects money called THE INTERNATIONAL ANTI-FASCIST DEFENCE FUND. If law enforcement can find out who runs this fund, they will likely find the group's leadership.
The people who donate to their defense funds are aiding and abetting terrorists. You stop the supply of their money then their operations dry up.

Antifa by their own definition is a terrorist organization. If you read their literature and visit their websites, you will see them carrying out assaults, gang stalking, digital harassment, advocating the use or makeshift weapons and even guns against their political adversaries and on and on. They even call for threatening event organizers right on their website in the about section. They are quite open about all of this and I leared quite a bit just reading their book on forming a group.

They have to adhere to strict anonymity because their are involved in illegal activity. The probably are involved in drug dealing or other illicit activities to help fund their operations.

Investigative journalist Laura Logan did a good segment about them last week. I think the reason more journalists won't investigate antifa is because they are fellow travelers with them, are inbedded within in their anonymous leadership or have previously been threatened by them. Even Logan's piece on FOX is cursory and vague.



I have no evidence of this, but I suspect that they may be involved with foreign intelligence. Maybe a proxy of Israel or some other foreign organization. I do remember reading that some antifa were fighting in Syria along side the Kurds.

I cannot see what is "bizarre" about the articles you link. As for "imaginary nazis posing as antifa", I don't think they have been directlt blamed for the riots, but they aren't imaginary:


I've read many articles that individuals linked to white supremacist groups, specifically Identity Evropa for some reason, were behind the Twitter account posing as antifa. I don't think that there would be any way that you could prove that outside of tracking the IP address of someone who at one point made a Twitter account under as Identity Evropa and then as a fake antifa account.

But even that wouldn't make sense because 1. I think Identity Evropa is banned from Twitter so if they tried to make another account because if they did it, Twitter would immediate block the new account. If Identity Evropa tried to use a vpn to bypass the account ban, then I don't know how Twitter figured out it was Identity Evropa.

So anyway, it's just a baseless claim. Maybe it was them or maybe it wasn't, with no evidence evidence outside of "according to a Twitter spokesperson

that and similar bullshit has succeeded in stirring up the more gullible into harassing innocent people:


Yeah well, was Was anyone hurt though? Better to have been safe than sorry considering how many senseless riots were going on, unless you specifically don't want people in their communities to have the sense to protect themselves.
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Antifa Protesters Charged with Looting Target Store in Austin

3 members of anti-government group ANTIFA arrested after looting a Target in Austin, FBI saysProperty damage and stolen property valued over $20,000

3 members of anti-government group ANTIFA arrested after looting a Target in Austin, FBI says
Property damage and stolen property valued over $20,000

AUSTIN – Three people have been arrested for looting, burglarizing and damaging property at an Austin Target store, according to the FBI.

The three individuals are known members of the anti-government group ANTIFA, FBI officials said.

The crimes occurred on May 31 at a Target store in the 5600 block of N. I-35 in Capital Plaza.

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Lisa Hogan, 27, of Austin, is charged with Riot and Burglary of a Building. FBI officials said Hogan used Facebook Live from the scene to encourage others to join the looting.

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Samuel Miller, 22, of Austin, is charged with Criminal Mischief and Burglary of a Building. FBI officials said he destroyed and ripped out surveillance cameras at the store.

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Skye Elder, 23, of Austin, was arrested for Burglary of a Building.

Bonds for each of the accused was set at $25,000 per charge.

FBI officials said the trio was part of a group of about 20 people who ripped plywood from in front of the doors, shattered the glass on the doors and entered the store. Members of the Austin Police Department Special Response Team arrived shortly thereafter and took the trio into custody.

FBI officials are urging the public to share information, including photographs or videos of any individuals engaging in “violent and unlawful activities.”

“The violence, threat to life, and destruction of property we have seen in Austin and other parts of the country, jeopardizes the rights and safety of all citizens, including peaceful demonstrators,” said Special Agent in Charge, Christopher Combs, FBI San Antonio.

“While I fully support the rights of freedom of speech and assembly, I cannot tolerate the subversion of peaceful protest by engaging in wanton destruction and theft," Travis County District Attorney Margaret Moore said in a press release. "These arrests are important to protecting not only the property owners, but, even more importantly, the peaceful protesters whose message should be heard.”
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maz wrote:I call them all affiliates since they mostly all share the same political ideology, same goals, dress the same, use the same tactics, have the same political agendas. and use the same iconography.


So I presume you don't mind being called a nazi-affiliate since you meet most of the above criteria.
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