skinster wrote:You are regurgitating propaganda already proven wrong ITT, as usual only sharing your shitty opinion because that's all you have, since the facts aren't on your side. That's all you have...and the thing you're best at aside from that, which is licking boots. Off you go, lick those boots.
Always somebody else's fault? The U.S. has been making war on Venezuela for decades, only a moron can ignore that. Even when the U.S. president admits U.S. attacks and intervention were "a mistake"
Most people who you read and post here are basically well educated but have no real experience of the things that you are advocating for. Same goes for the most of the people who post anti-left propaganda because of their biased reasons and their political ideology. This includes you, tainari, our alt-right boys etc
The difference for me is that i have lived in the aftermath of such a system and seen a positive improvement to a more stable and more just system in my life time. On top of having my parents and grandparents who are first hand sources and can describe how it was before and what was good and bad. I know the downsides and the benefits of what you are advocating for. The reason i do not support it is because the downsides are too many and they are too hard on the human cost side.
As i mentioned before, not everything is bad with what Maduro and Chavez were doing. I was not critisizing Chavez because I always have this doubt in my head that may be i am overthinking things. May be they will figure it out and things will turn out differently. But in the end, Maduro turned in to an unmitigated disaster with faults similar to the end of the Soviet Union. Collapsing economy, corruption, mismanagement, heavy restrictions on cultural thought, heavy restrictions on general free speach, we vs outside mentality, state under siege, "believe in our true leader", the opposition needs to be jailed or sent to a mental assylum etc. There are many similarities.
So i can't be silent about this anymore. I suppose that there is always a point that needs to be crosses before i start my critisism of places like Venezuela, Belarus, Cuba. While Cuba is more or less okay for now, the other places mentioned are not. I know that this won't fit in to your world view but whatever. I am not trying to convince you here, i am presenting my opinion and time will judge us on who is correct and who is wrong.
Your most biggest flaw that i noticed about you and Venezuela or other similar places is that you think in terms of the European/American political systems. Their systems are not geared for justice or rule of law or anything of the sort. The biggest flaw of things that you advocate for is that they CAN end up where Venezuela or SU ended up: the system itself is fighting for its survival while the politicans are fighting to just maintain power for the sake of it and not to improve lives of every day Joes and Janes. The outcome of which is not always them loosing power or the system collapsing though. Depending on how much violence, coersion and blackmail they use then they CAN silence the critics. I just can't accept that. I do not want a repeat of Stalin light of sorts.
Yes, Stalin did do some great things for the country. But on the other hand he was a freaking madman. At the same time, systems in Europe and America did not require anywhere close to that level of sacrifice or killing. (Not WW2 related)