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#15096786
ingliz wrote:Mr. Flynn repeatedly affirmed his guilt, under oath and penalty of perjury, despite being given multiple opportunities to disclaim it.


:lol:



Your are the Black Knight :lol: It's just a flesh wound eh. :lol:

The left is so dumb they try to set up a three star general and get caught red handed. The FBI transcripts are released which in fact say "we are setting him up". The transcript of the phone conversation is released and couldn't be more clear that Flynn did nothing wrong.

The Obama administration thugs pressuring Flynn might as well put a gun to head and you are still going with perjury. Yes you are the Black Knight. :lol: :lol:
#15102634
And the Appeals Court panel has ruled!

Appeals court orders Flynn case dismissal, after years-long legal saga

    A federal appeals court on Wednesday ordered a lower court to allow the case against former National Security Adviser Michael Flynn to be dismissed, as requested by the Justice Department -- likely ending the years-long legal saga stemming from the Russia investigation.

    The abrupt ending came in a 2-1 ruling and order from judges on the U.S. Court of Appeals for the District of Columbia.

    This was the result of an appeal from Flynn's lawyers asking for a so-called writ of mandamus -- essentially an order telling a government official to carry out a certain duty -- directing District Judge Emmet Sullivan to approve the DOJ's motion to dismiss.

    Sullivan did not immediately grant that motion and instead sought to hold hearings on the matter, angering Flynn allies.

    The unusual move from Sullivan to keep the case alive despite prosecutors' wishes was preceded by an unusual move from the DOJ itself to drop the charges against Flynn even after he had pleaded guilty -- saying the FBI interview that led to his charge of lying to investigators about his contacts with Russia's ambassador had no "legitimate investigative basis."

    It's unclear whether Sullivan could try to appeal to the full appeals court or even to the Supreme Court in order to keep the case alive. The next step otherwise would likely be for Sullivan to comply.

    Wednesday's court order was direct, ordering "that Flynn’s petition for a writ of mandamus be granted in part; the District Court is directed to grant the government’s ... motion to dismiss; and the District Court’s order appointing an amicus is hereby vacated as moot, in accordance with the opinion of the court filed herein this date."

The panel’s opinion can be found here. But most importantly, it ruled that the purpose of Rule 48 is to protect the defendant from prosecutorial abuse and that clearly isn’t the case here. The panel does deny Flynn’s request that Judge Sullivan be reassigned, though.
#15102636
Yeah, I've been following this guy's analysis:



It's precisely what I thought would happen. It's remarkable how political the court has become.

jimjam wrote:"The appearance of the law must be upheld …… especially when it is being broken." Boss Tweed Tammany 1846

You somehow forgot to mention that Tweed was a Democrat, and Tammany Hall was the urban Democrat political machine of NYC.
#15102668
blackjack21 wrote:You somehow forgot to mention that Tweed was a Democrat, and Tammany Hall was the urban Democrat political machine of NYC.


Oh Darn! Boss Tweed was a Democrat 174 years ago. There, fixed. Feel better? :lol:

for a smart guy you sure make some dumb points …… not unlike your boy Rush Limberg :lol:
#15102735
blackjack21 wrote:It's precisely what I thought would happen. It's remarkable how political the court has become.

I thought all the courts in D.C. were mainly made up of Democrats. I believe that rogue judge will try to hold off dismissing the case as long as he can.
#15106798
And as Judge Sullivan doubles down, asking the full Appeals court to review the panel's decision, more documents are released that make his case even worse:

Flynn believed he was telling the truth in interview, FBI documents reveal

    Days after Michael Flynn’s infamous 2017 interview with FBI agents, bureau and Justice Department officials concluded he told agents the truth — at least as he believed it — about his contacts with the Russian ambassador, according to bombshell documents unsealed in a court filing Friday.

    The documents also revealed that the FBI was investigating Flynn, who briefly served as President Trump’s first national security adviser, as early as the summer of 2016, but “had not seen things to point to [an] initial issue.”

    Also unearthed in the documents was that FBI leadership nixed having agents playing select audio cuts from recordings of Flynn’s phone calls with the then-Russian ambassador during his January 2017 interview with FBI agents.

    Flynn was charged in the Trump-Russia collusion probe with lying to FBI agents about his conversations with the ambassador. Although he pleaded guilty twice, he later recanted and professed his innocence.

    The revelations were disclosed in an internal Justice Department draft memo and a new batch of handwritten notes from top FBI and Justice Department officials overseeing the Trump-Russia collusion probe.

    “FBI advised that based on this interview, they did not believe General Flynn was acting as an agent of Russia. FBI also advised that although they recognized the statements were inconsistent with the FISA collection, they believed Flynn believed what he was telling them,” the internal Justice Department document states.

    The heavily-redacted document dated January 30, 2017, was released to Flynn’s legal team earlier this week.

    A separate DOJ document written in chicken scratch handwriting appears to confirm that conclusion. The notes were written by Deputy Assistant Attorney General Tashina Gauhar as part of the January 25, 2017 meeting, according to the court filing.

    “FBI — largely telling the truth as believed it even though contradicting,” Ms. Gauhar wrote.

    Several top players in the Russia investigation attended the meeting, including anti-Trump ex-FBI agent Peter Strzok, former FBI General Counsel James Baker, and former Assistant Director of Counterintelligence Bill Priestap.

    Flynn’s attorneys said the documents provide even more compelling evidence requiring the court to dismiss the government’s case against him.

    “This evidence negates multiple essential elements required for the prosecution of false statement offenses,” they wrote in the legal filing in the U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia.

    The criminal case against Flynn has meandered through the court system. In May, the Justice Department shockingly decided to abandon the prosecution and asked the judge to dismiss the charges against him.

    U.S. District Judge Emmet Sullivan, who is overseeing the Flynn case, delayed granting the department’s request and tapped a retired judge to argue against the Justice Department.

    Flynn then asked the U.S. Court of Appeals for the D.C. Circuit to dismiss the case and in a 2-1 decision, the court ruled Judge Sullivan did not have the authority to buck the Justice Department’s request.

    Judge Sullivan on Thursday petitioned for a rehearing by full appeals court.
#15106848
@Doug64

"Flynn believed he was telling the truth"

Ignorantia legis neminem excusat (Ignorance of the law is no defence).


:)
#15106942
ingliz wrote:@Doug64

"Flynn believed he was telling the truth"

Ignorantia legis neminem excusat (Ignorance of the law is no defence).


:)

It is when the charge is lying to government officials—lying requires intent, that you know the truth and tell an untruth anyway. Otherwise, every witness or interviewee that misspeaks could be brought up on charges for an honest mistake. And in Flynn’s case you could easily make a case for an honest mistake (if he made one, the conversation can easily be interpreted such that his statement was true), from what I’ve read he made a lot of phone calls, including multiple calls to the same Russian official.
#15106945
Doug64 wrote:And as Judge Sullivan doubles down, asking the full Appeals court to review the panel's decision, more documents are released that make his case even worse:

Incredible isn't it? At any rate, a Writ of Mandamus has apparently never been overturned by an en banc hearing in the DC circuit. What a complete moron Sullivan is...

Ingliz wrote:"Flynn believed he was telling the truth"

Ignorantia legis neminem excusat (Ignorance of the law is no defence).

Non-sequitur. Flynn was not claiming ignorance of the law.
#15106953
@blackjack21


Intent

He says he signed the first registration paper as an ordinary lobbyist without reading it. But he must have known it was false because he instructed his lawyers to file a belated FARA registration after he was ousted from the Trump administration.

Violating FARA is a felony punishable by up to five years in prison.

:)
#15106957
ingliz wrote:Violating FARA is a felony punishable by up to five years in prison.

Thanks for the information. Since we aren't talking about anyone having been charged with a FARA violation, why do you point that out?
#15106971
@blackjack21

He made a plea deal to save his son from the FARA charges. Being party to the same offense, they couldn't charge one without charging the other (Well they could but it would have looked odd with the evidence they had against the son). Flynn then signed a statement putting all the blame for his misdoings on his business partner who was charged, found guilty by a jury, and let off by a judge.

I thought you were following this shit.


:lol:
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#15106975
ingliz wrote:He made a plea deal to save his son from the FARA charges. Being party to the same offense, they couldn't charge one without charging the other (Well they could but it would have looked odd with the evidence they had against the son). Flynn then signed a statement putting all the blame for his misdoings on his business partner who was charged, found guilty by a jury, and let off by a judge.

I thought you were following this shit.


:lol:

ingliz wrote:He made a plea deal to save his son from the FARA charges. Being party to the same offense, they couldn't charge one without charging the other (Well they could but it would have looked odd with the evidence they had against the son). Flynn then signed a statement putting all the blame for his misdoings on his business partner who was charged, found guilty by a jury, and let off by a judge.

I thought you were following this shit.

FARA violations generally aren't charged anymore. It's like charging someone with infidelity. Maybe the statutes are on the books, but it's not taken seriously. Hasn't been since Soviet days. So clearly, they were trying to squeeze Flynn. I mean, we have their hand-written notes at this point. So why the interest in Flynn's son, other than they were clearly trying to prevent Flynn from assuming his role at the NSA?
#15107004
Like even in the best case scenario where Flynn didn't conspire to kidnap a US resident Flynn is still an immensely retarded man who got bullied by the FBI. But Trump supporters find that sympathetic because they are also bumbling losers who lucked out.

Let Flynn go free and let him grift idiots who buy into Q. Let him show up to rallies with other morons and shout, "Where we go one, we go all!" while selling t-shirts and bobbleheads, as befits a former general of the United States Armed Forces. It's about the level of competence he demonstrated while serving, when he was fired by two different administrations for being an immense fuckup.

It would at least be an honest grift because ~General~ Flynn is actually dumb enough to buy into Q shit haha
#15107080
blackjack21 wrote:Incredible isn't it? At any rate, a Writ of Mandamus has apparently never been overturned by an en banc hearing in the DC circuit. What a complete moron Sullivan is...

I told you. Maybe Sullivan also has Trump Derangement Syndrome that is affecting his brain. :lol:
#15108885
Sydney Powell's latest brief opposing Sullivan's petition for a rehearing en-banc is a tour de force. FoxNews embeds it in scribd. Fiery Flynn brief accuses Judge Sullivan of acting on 'vindictive animus,' aims to end case

Sullivan is a glutton for punishment, it seems. He doesn't have standing to appeal, and none of the parties nor appellate judges appealed. So this is a done deal. It makes you wonder whether Sullivan is a moron.
#15108898
blackjack21 wrote:Sydney Powell's latest brief opposing Sullivan's petition for a rehearing en-banc is a tour de force. FoxNews embeds it in scribd. Fiery Flynn brief accuses Judge Sullivan of acting on 'vindictive animus,' aims to end case

Sullivan is a glutton for punishment, it seems. He doesn't have standing to appeal, and none of the parties nor appellate judges appealed. So this is a done deal. It makes you wonder whether Sullivan is a moron.

I think it is politics. He will look like a brave judge just doing the right thing to get justice for all the Trump haters, which seems to include most all the Democrats at this point.
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