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Pants-of-dog wrote:@Unthinking Majority
The numbers are wrong. I cna think of two unarmed black men killed by white police in October alone.
1. What is your argument here? It seems like you are against any change or budget cuts to police whatsoever.
Pants-of-dog wrote:2. I am not interested in your speculations about how it might be applicable. I have explained the two reasons why it would be illogical to assume that the same thing can happen in NA.
Pants-of-dog wrote:3. Are you arguing that cops need to be paid more? Despite the fact that they already get paid record high amounts, budegts always increase, but performance does not? Is that the point?
Unthinking Majority wrote:Read the stats I posted again: 14 unarmed black men were shot dead by cops in 2019. Of those 14, 5 of them were not attacking cops at the time, and of those 5, 2 were killed by white cops.
If you have evidence to the contrary, provide it.
1. I do not want to improve policing. I want to abolish it.
Pants-of-dog wrote:2. Your belief that this study is relevant is entirely speculative.
Pants-of-dog wrote:3. Please clarify your argument. If your argument is that more cops equals less crime, we have seen that the evidence for that is weak.
1. I never claimed I was aim8ng for total anarchy, so strawman.
Pants-of-dog wrote:The KKK and other racist far right groups have almost certainly infiltrated police and probably avoid being policed for this reason. https://www.pbs.org/newshour/nation/fbi ... nforcement
Pants-of-dog wrote:Police do not enforce tax law.
Pants-of-dog wrote:Cuba is a whataboutism.
Pants-of-dog wrote:2. Your insistence that it helps understand violent crime in NA is speculation.
Pants-of-dog wrote:3. provide evidence that giving cops more money will reduce police brutality and killings.
1, No, abolishing the police does not lead to total anarchy.
Pants-of-dog wrote:2, A Gish gallop is a debating technique where one person throws out a large number of arguments (true or not, unsupported or not) to overwhelm the other. You took three comments and turned it into seven different ways of attacking me or my position. I am not going to address all of them, especially since I already have addressed many of them. Please pick one argument or two and I will be happy to address those. If not, please understand why I will choose to only address those that I think are relevant, not fallacious or personal attacks, and have not already been addressed.
1. If the taxes are federal, I would simply have the IRS enforce tax laws, as they already do.
Pants-of-dog wrote:2. That is a strawman. For the third (or perhaps fourth) time: Reducing cops does not reduce crime, except for the obvious case of crimes committed by police (e.g. George Floyd, Elijah McClain, Breonna Taylor). My actual claim is that communities should gradually abolish police through defunding. At the same time, funds that are now freed can be sued to address the root causes of crime, and by addressing these causes, crime itself will be reduced.
Pants-of-dog wrote:You did not present evidence. You just posted a single link.
Elijah McClain is one unarmed black man killed by white cops.
Nekiylo Dawayne Graves is another.
Dennis Wayne Tuttle was armed, but since cops broke into his home and started shooting without identifying themselves, it is hard to justify this one.
D'Ettrick Griffin is another.
So we have at least three unarmed black men killed by police, Your numbers say two.
1. I do not know. Does the IRS have its own police force?
Pants-of-dog wrote:2. Since I just described again why this is a strawman, I will not he addressing that for the fourth or fifth time.
Do we even need to arrest non-violent offenders? Simply charge them, let them know their court date, and if they fail to show up, find them guilty and seize the fine. This can all be done by accountants and lawyers.
Are you arguing that we should jail non-violent offenders because we do that now? That seems like an appeal to tradition. As part of police abolition, the US should also work towards abolishing or vastly reducing its prison population.
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