Tainari88 wrote:If they lose a job in a pandemic they are skipping rent payments and risking homeless status. The Welfare of SNAP and some basic payments especially with dependent children keeps desperation from creeping in.
They'd lose a job, because the US has free trade with countries that erect barriers to entry for US goods and services, because our politicians want to flood our country with immigrants to drive wages down, and because our politicians prevent them from making a living by declaring them "non-essential" during a pandemic.
Tainari88 wrote:Thinking an excise tax is going to benefit the vast majority of workers is being obtuse BJ.
It's not going to save them from people like Gavin Newsom, but that's an arbitrary use of emergency power--like ordering no singing in church.
Tainari88 wrote:You don't take the time to talk to poor people BJ in bad neighborhoods.
How is this a response to anything I just said?
Tainari88 wrote:You have no idea about the conditions of poverty your nation goes through all the time.
I tend to bring it up more than most. In fact, it's a frequent refrain as to why Trump became president. It's just that I don't see socialism as the solution, and perhaps that's why you choose not to hear me.
Tainari88 wrote:Education is out of reach for them for a higher earning position.
Have you heard me defending the higher education racket? I don't think so. This is one of the rackets that is going to have a hard time surviving after coronavirus. You can't suddenly say, "Ok. Now all schooling will be online and it's the same as being in the classroom" when they have been opposing that for decades. One of the weirdest turnabouts of this whole thing is Democrats demanding that schools remain closed and students school at home. Democrats have been saying for a long time that schools are where some kids get their only complete meal of the day. Home-schooled kids are dumber and not well adjusted socially, etc.
Tainari88 wrote:You want to think that their lives are easy and you pile on the criticism like they are fat. Mostly they are fat because they eat low-quality high shelf life prepared foods that are about storing fat and calories and not burning them.
Many poor people have other problems that is the source of their poverty. Poverty is often just a symptom. Drugs, alcohol, mental illness, etc. Many simply don't learn how to cook. Hell, you can feed yourself on rice and beans pretty cheaply.
Tainari88 wrote:You need to stop the 'stereotyping' of poor Black communities and Latin American communities and go and talk to them for days or months. If you don't? It is all bullshit you spout due to lack of doing the work.
That's a complete non-answer to what I said.
Tainari88 wrote:And vote for who? That racist party the Republicans?
Form another party.
Tainari88 wrote:You got to change the Republican party BJ. Poor people will not identify with white rich men who are callous and look down on Blacks.
A lot of poor people like Donald Trump. It's people like Jeb Bush who pay lip service and do nothing, because they are for driving down wages with outsourcing and excessive immigration--legal and illegal.
Tainari88 wrote:How do you plan to appeal to them?
I'm not running for office. Trump appeals to working class people by noting that many of their problems are due to outsourcing and immigration--legal and illegal. Calling him "racist" doesn't work, because that's what they call the people who have had their jobs shipped offshore. Bitter clingers, deplorables, the 47%, from both parties.
Tainari88 wrote:You don't appeal to them but want them to vote for your Republicans? That is the height of arrogant foolishness in political strategy BJ.
The Democrats have left them behind, especially if they are white. Why do you think I think the Republicans are so wonderful. Only Drlee drones on about how he's a Republican and disagrees with virtually everything about his party.
Tainari88 wrote:You come across as cold, unfeeling, and calculated. African Americans don't like that. Neither do Latinos.
Oh, so they all think the same way? There's nothing racist about that statement, is there? If I say something like "we do not see a lot of African Americans or Latinos in programming," you start calling me a racist. Well guess what? Programming is all cold, unfeeling and calculated. It's machine language. Your feelings don't matter. The compiler does not care about your feelings. So are these African Americans and Latinos running away from programming jobs? It seems you want to have it both ways, and the problem is always with white people.
Tainari88 wrote:The Democratic party is the oldest party in the USA. In terms of not having changed its name. The Whigs were dissolved. The Democratic party is very much a part of the government. And the Ku Klux Klan is more attracted by far to the Republican party in 2020 than to any other major party in the USA. That you never admit this as a simple truth has to do with your stubborn refusal to realize the Republican party has a faction that is incredibly racist.
I didn't say the Republicans have no racists. Mostly, they are classists and law and order types. The only appeal of the KKK to the Republicans is that there is a higher percentage of white Republicans than white Democrats. Otherwise, they pretty much don't agree. The KKK is villainized in the United States just as Hitler is villainized, because the KKK hates the Jews as well as the blacks. Trump is very friendly with Jews and with blacks. The only thing Trump has in common with the KKK is anti-alcohol and women voting.
Tainari88 wrote:It is time to be realistic and realize the globalists are pressuring for total control over most of the governments on planet Earth.
I do. That's why I think it is hilarious that the establishment manufactured Russiagate, because Russia is among the major powers that simply refuses to go along with their agenda--an agenda that I find utterly bizarre.
Tainari88 wrote:But you only give a shit about the American ones. For me, that is counterproductive as well as ineffective. Get a better sense of the forces driving the neoliberalism and globalist agenda.
I regularly note that nationalist parties are gaining power in Europe. Poland's Duda just won re-election for example. So China has concentration camps, and every now and then you get a leaked video like this of people getting loaded onto trains, just like Jews during WWII:
So what do you want me to do? I routinely suggest decoupling from China, and knock their human rights abuses. However, our major corporations make gobs of money off of them. Do you know how much cash Apple has on hand? Enough to buy the lower 80% of the S&P 500. Do you think I'm cool with Google helping China with their social credit scoring, spying on citizens, etc.? Yet, what more would you have me do?
Tainari88 wrote:Do you know how many Black kids go through that in this society of yours? A lot.
Almost 3/4s are without a father in the home. Welfare pays more to broken homes.
Tainari88 wrote:He finally was required to go and try to get a job.
Ha ha! Now, tell me that social program is something the Democrats would propose for blacks on the South side of Chicago, etc. I can hear a very loud chorus of "Racism, slavery! They are forcing black people to work in low wage jobs!"
Tainari88 wrote:You paint it as a race issue. It is not BJ. It is about many things. One of them is poverty, another is a lack of a truly strong family structure, and another component is about class conscious discrimination and lack of investment in options for youth.
Maybe you should read "Coming Apart: The State of White America 1960-2010" by Charles Murray--the man who wrote the Bell Curve, and had to rewrite it with only white people so they didn't call him "racist" and refuse to listen to his points--because you are making the same points Charles Murray is making. Are you sure you are not a secret racist and white supremacist? Or is it maybe that you refuse to listen to anyone who isn't a socialist, but you would actually agree with them if you could put your political ideology aside for a moment?
Tainari88 wrote:There are 'good' neighborhoods that capitalism rewards with rising home values, and those punished by bottoming out and crashing values on homes in those hoods. It is the way the system works BJ.
It seems we are in "violent agreement" as the Irish like to say.
Tainari88 wrote:Not blaming Black people and thinking they got violent genes and are inferior. That is total racism and stupidity too.
You are still refusing to deal with the well documented science on this: only 5.5% of black Americans have a 2-repeat allele of monoamine oxidase. It's not all blacks by a long shot, but of those who have it, about 80% of them have been in handcuffs and seen the inside of a jail cell. About 55% of blacks have a 3-repeat allele of monoamine oxidase, and about 35% of whites do. If they face socio-economic hardships, they tend to develop anti-social behavior. They seem to do better with some social programs to blunt some of the negative socio-economic factors.
People with low levels of monoamines such as dopamine and serotonin tend to get depressed. We have SSRIs and dopamine agonists to address that. People with high levels of monoamines tend to be very aggressive. Sometimes, they exhibit similar symptoms as depressed people--i.e., anxiety. One of the counter arguments to what I'm saying is that most mass psychotic killers are white men. That's also true. What's also true is that many of the mass shooters are on an anti-depressant such as Venlaxafine, when maybe it's the drug that is simply pouring fuel on the fire. They actually have a build-up of monoamines not a deficit, and they were prescribed the wrong remedy because doctors are guessing and not running physical tests on monamine levels, metabolites, brain imaging, etc. That's what I took away from reading DSM-V and a bunch of psychopharmacology books. I was horrified.
Tainari88 wrote:No talking to them, no plans, no strategy to make things better, exclusion and derision of Blacks.
Charles Murray and others have proposed almost the same thing you found so wonderful with white people in Germany, but you are unable to see the same things in a lot of people that want a reform of the existing welfare state--probably, because they do not see socialism as the solution, or somehow inevitable.
Tainari88 wrote:In the USA they made race and class very much linked BJ. it is a deeply race coded nation.
I don't disagree with the assessment. I disagree with the causes.
Tainari88 wrote:The majority of the nation especially in the Southern states would be mulattos and so on. Not as white as they are.
I think that's debatable.
Tainari88 wrote:The reality is that the Tulsa Massacre of 1921? Never had a single arrest for the hundreds of dead and lynchings and the many many miles of burned to the ground homes and businesses and Black middle class and above people losing everything.
Not many people are being arrested for the rioting today. Why? Democrats. Same people. Different time, but the same bad actors. I'm perfectly aware of news outlets like the New York Times trying to drive this wedge and pretending that it was "white people." 1619 project and all that bullshit.
Tainari88 wrote:If I would talk about the aggressive Black male who kills (like you do all the time)? This is knowing I have a black son I raised and who I witnessed how bad it is for them with the stereotypes and lack of justice?
I don't think all black males are aggressive killers. Not by a long shot. I've simply zeroed in on one biological factor in a very small subset of the African American population, which most people are unable to cope with. I've also talked extensively about social problems. For example, when people on the American left here talk about the need for gun control and how strict and ruthless they would be with gun control, I'm usually the first person here to point out that such an approach is going to fall most severely on young black men. Watch this for example--long and mostly boring police video camera footage of a young black man on his FIRST ARREST and its a series of felonies.
The kid has had a long history of problems with the school, but liberals have gone out of their way to make sure he isn't put in contact with law enforcement. However, these same liberals are terribly afraid of guns, and with the spate of school shootings, not completely unreasonably. So as they start to search this young man's backpack, not only do they find a gun, they find it is loaded with a round in the chamber and the safety off, and it's stolen. They also find another person's ID, and another person's credit card. The poor kid is 18. He won't be charged as a minor. Even the cops seem to understand this kid is in for a rough go--except for possibly busting down the offenses and trying to get a pre-trial diversion since he doesn't have a criminal record. If he gets convicted of this, how does he so much as get a job at McDonalds? I'm perfectly fine with a court ordered probation that mandates he gets a job, does it well, has his school and job attendance checked, must attend AA or some substance abuse support group, and get randomly tested. However, I can see the liberals screaming "slavery!" at forcing the kid to get a job versus going to prison.
Now, on the other hand, what has the end of stop-and-frisk and cash bail done in a place like New York City? Shootings have more than tripled. Who's getting killed the most? Black people. Please Stop Helping Us: How Liberals Make It Harder for Blacks to Succeed
You take a Drlee or a Godstud on gun control and the right to bear arms, and you get a lot of liberal tough talk on guns. Where does it impact the most though? Generally, on young black men. There are tons of laws that screw them over.
When I was a kid, a doctor friend of my father's gave me a buck knife for a present. I once had it in my pocket, and it was explained to me that it's against the law to put it in my pocket. I have to put it in its sheath and wear it on my belt. Did I understand the law? No. I thought it was stupid then, and I think it is stupid now. Yet, it gives the police a pretext for an arrest. Who gets hurt the most by laws like that? Black people. Hispanics. Poor people. Who writes those laws? Democrats, almost without exception.
Tainari88 wrote:You keep writing about the black men and how they are untrustworthy and who is a threat to life, safety, and the pursuit of happiness in contrast to the coder Blackjack21 who by his own statements is the decent intelligent, high IQ individual with coding skills that own property in Walnut Creek?
See? There you go again making up things that I never said. I give you very specific cases, very specific effects, very specific causes. You say that it is cold, calculated and unfeeling. Then you regurgitate it back to me as very unspecific, utterly general and completely bigoted--utterly unrecognizable from what I said.
Tainari88 wrote:But somehow the Black criminals might have children with these defective genes you signal so often?
First, you cannot point to anywhere where I have said a 2-repeat allele of monoamine oxidase is a defective gene. It's not. It's selected. Why? I gave you a rationale--probably that people may have functioned much better in some parts of Central West Africa where they may have had a very low amine diet. That's paleo human stuff. In 20-21st Century America, they find themselves fond of high amine foods, but some of that population cannot break them down and it can make them violent. Law is a monopoly on violence, so naturally the government takes an interest.
Some crazy white shooters that go on mind bending shooting sprees tend to be on an anti-depressant like Venlaxafine. Sometimes the symptoms of depression and aggression have similarities, like anxiety, sleeplessness, etc. Do you notice that when I defend Barack Obama, it's usually on something very specific like medical testing--having physical evidence of a problem BEFORE prescribing medicines? That's because when I'm helping people I care about that have mental health issues, I find myself reading books like this: Stahl's Essential Psychopharmacology: Neuroscientific Basis and Practical Applications (Essential Psychopharmacology Series) 3rd Edition
. Do you read books like that when helping people you care about? No you don't. You haven't studied psychopharmacology Tainari88! You haven't done the work!
Or... having body cameras on police officers, so we can see what actually took place. That was Obama, and while cops don't always like it, I agree with Obama on that. Incidentally, that's what I find amusing about SpecialOlympian being so easily triggered. I can just as easily post the police doing the same thing to a white person, but he thinks "white genocide" is so funny. So I post a black person charging the cops with a weapon, and he calls it "black murder porn" and noemon red cards me. However, ask yourself why I can so easily find something like this white man getting shot by a white female police officer. (And keep in mind, I risk noemon carding me or banning me even though the entire George Floyd incident would meet his and SpecialOlympian's definition of "black murder porn")
Why is it so common? And please don't come back with something insipid like "capitalism", "colonialism," etc. Give me something a little more concrete and a little less polemical to work with.
Also, look at the comments:
so this dude took that many bullets, flopped over, and said “ow”
I'm not sure if he was wearing a vest, but it took a lot of gunshots to take him down.
She handled herself remarkably well. Had a jamb at a terrible moment, cleared it perfectly and resumed shooting this bastard. Kudos to her!
That's what I noticed too. She cleared a jammed round with someone charging her with a knife, and kept shooting. Excellent training.
I can't believe how many rounds that guy took and he was still advancing! This should clear any doubt anybody might have about why police shoot multiple times!
Best slide return failure clear by a woman that I've ever seen.
At least the police officer didn’t panic when her gun jammed and had the composure to re-rack the slide, and empty the mag into this dirtbag!
This is what the police deal with on a frequent enough basis that they receive a lot of training. Do you think you would handle yourself so well in such a situation? I'm guessing we'd get a news story of the Puerto Rican police officer who was stabbed and killed. It's been almost a year since my grade school buddy's daughter was killed as a field training officer up in Sacramento. She took a bullet and they had to wait for an armed up vehicle to get her. She bled out. Dead. Yet, we need to de-militarize the police?
Tainari88 wrote:And yet the one with the perfect genes doesn't have any sons or daughters?
Oh boy. I can see that this could just be a waste of my time.
Tainari88 wrote:You got to be responsible for children in this world. It is easy to get a woman pregnant and then wash your hands of the situation. If you are truly a responsible man? You take care of the child, you make the relationship something loving, caring, and strong. Enough to create a safe and reliable cultural and social space to raise a child to adulthood. It is complex. Anything dealing with something significant is fairly to very complex in human society.
Yes, it's too easy. That's why pushing recreational sex is not a good idea. Our mainstream media, academia, and politicians are frankly very irresponsible people. That's why I oppose the establishment. They are for the breakdown of the nuclear family. So is the communist party by the way.
Tainari88 wrote:Don't blame the liberals for your lack of Blackjack21 Juniors.
I don't. It's a personal choice. I live in a society that encourages the dissolution of families, so I won't start one and leave somebody with the wreckage caused by left wing ideology. Instead, I'll fight it and make the world a better place for families.
Tainari88 wrote:Your interpretation of genetic variation as the authority. It is not.
Look, I've given you a very specific gene--not genes. One. I've given you one variation of that gene, and it's low transcription for monoamine oxidase, and it's very high association with anti-social behavior. Is that absolutely deterministic? No. It's a pretty significant indicator though. When I'm noting that social effects demonstrate that anti-social behavior can be blunted in people with 3-repeat alleles, clearly I'm talking phenotype and not genotype.
Tainari88 wrote:You got neanderthal genes in there. Should I assume because it is a failed species that no longer exists and mixed genetically with the competing group of homos that you got inferior genes and as such can't understand variation and how it works in human evolution?
FWIW, you have them too. No. You should see that there is significantly less genetic diversity in Europeans and Asians. Ponder it for awhile.
Tainari88 wrote:Should I treat you condescendingly and patronizingly because of it?
That's sort of immaterial.
Tainari88 wrote:That is way too simplistic for me to address BJ. Are all whites 100% pure white? Do many have African or Asian or Indian genes? The answer is that many people are mixed for thousands of years.
So are we going down the road that "race is just a social construct"? If so, then there is no actual racism, just as there is no actual McDonalds or General Motors. It's just a social fiction we agree upon, but strictly speaking it doesn't exist.
Tainari88 wrote:Genetic variation within human populations is the norm. Not the exception.
Right, but again you aren't willing to address something very specific. You run away into generalization. Traits are heritable. If you mix people from all over the world, you will still have heritable traits. That doesn't change because you no longer have the distinct features of isolated population groups. Genes are discrete. As I said, we're nascent in our understanding of them as yet. However, that's changing very quickly.
Tainari88 wrote:Making broad statements about winter hoarders and African nonhoarders doesn't take into account some very telling things.
Abstraction isn't stupidity. Abstraction is a controlled form of ignorance. It helps in identifying and isolating independent variables. It's not perfect, but it's useful.
Tainari88 wrote:I don't go for the simplistic is the best with culture and human behavior.
Delayed gratification is nevertheless an interesting behavior, and it is essential for survival in certain environments.
Tainari88 wrote:He is a pro-capitalism
We're going to be swirling in semantics if you cannot understand a political establishment as something more than "capitalism." I am pro-capitalism, and I am opposed to many people who are pro-capitalism.
Tainari88 wrote:He wasn't even able to get the military people on his side.
You mean as for putting down riots? I've said multiple times here to many people who think that the US military could simply crack down on the American people and there would be no problem--no way. The US military would get their asses kicked by the American people.
Tainari88 wrote:Mattis and his ilk don't like him. The intelligence community and Comey don't like him.
They are neoconservatives. They want war. Trump doesn't want war. You are afraid of Trump starting a war, even though he is antiwar. You are somehow not afraid of Biden starting a war, when he is liked by the very war mongers who don't like Trump. As for the IC and Comey? Comey has a "higher loyalty" according to his own book title, and it's not to serve the people of the United States without fear or favor. The IC has decided it can try to overthrow the US government the way it does overseas. I think they need their wings clipped severely. What do you think?
Tainari88 wrote:making the presidency a Goya Foods commercial. Did you see his latest?
Yes. I have Goya black beans in my pantry.
Tainari88 wrote:The neobliberals will find a way of ousting him and he did nothing for the working class rednecks and others who wanted an alternative to liberal neoliberal shit policies.
Except driving down their unemployment rate and driving up their wages--exactly what they wanted.
Tainari88 wrote:You think 40 million-plus unemployed people through no fault of their own and losing their houses and worried about dying from COVID are going to accept nothing to survive on or will they expect socialism from the federal government?
I told you already I expected violence well before the George Floyd incident. People who tear down statues of Fredrick Douglas on behalf of Black Lives Matter are functionally illiterate. They are not ideologues that understand the finer points of capitalism versus socialism. That's why I wrote the thread on the irony of Seattle prosecutors putting a black man behind bars for running over and killing a white female gender non-binary Black Lives Matter protester.
Tainari88 wrote:Socialist spending?
Welfare state spending. The ownership of the means of production does not change.
Tainari88 wrote:That is because there is a reaction to neoliberalism
Right. The reaction is nationalism, not socialism.
Tainari88 wrote:Trump doesn't have an ideology. He is a demagogue and not a man with any real political consistency. He is a windbag failed nouveau riche, pathological lying man.
He's not failed if he took the US presidency away from the neoliberals. I understand he's not your socialist ideal, but the fact that he defeated Hillary Clinton is an epic moment in US History.
Tainari88 wrote:He is not caring about the Americans running around dying of CoVid at all.
He's worried about the economy. I've spelled that out in the Election 2020 thread. Shutdowns will bankrupt the big cities.
Tainari88 wrote:The world has moved on. For more inclusivity over time. That is the trend.
Uh huh. So you have a Democrat mayor and a black Democrat chief of police, and a black police officer and an Asian police officer and a white police officer standing around while another white police officer has his knee on George Floyd's neck. So now you've go a full complement of genetic variation in your system of oppression.
Tainari88 wrote:But the way the money and slush funds has tainted politics with Citizens United? It is terrible. You got a sold-out do nothing and get nothing of substance type of government. That is the reality.
I don't disagree. That's why they are pushing more and more immigration when the political majority in the US opposes it. The establishment sold out long ago, but many people have realized it now. They would rather throw their lot in with Donald Trump, and God knows who will succeed him, than trust power to establishment politicians.
Tainari88 wrote:Imagine me always thinking you are not quite human as I am while typing, thinking about you and writing to you....here he is....the less than human one BJ....a racist with nothing good or human about him. Let me patronize his ass with an answer, because after all he is beneath equal treatment. Not quite up to my standards. People read that treatment with a very good radar. They don't like it. Would you?
Uh, I'm a conservative. All I have to do to experience that is to talk to a liberal. White people do not have solidarity. We fight world wars with each other. Does it bother me? Not that much. Heck, I debate with Drlee and Godstud. Have you ever noticed that their primary disposition is that they have a superior intellect and those who disagree with them are stupid? We white people deal with this all the time, but principally with other white people. So we do not experience this as "racism," but structurally it is identical.
Tainari88 wrote:The truth is they ignored Christ for profit. A sin. Own up to it. Human rights is a better concept.
Really? How's that working out for the people of Hong Kong or the Uighurs? Larry Page, Sergei Brin, Jeff Bezos, Tim Cook, do any of these people come in for criticism, or is it okay if they are doing it to Asians 8 thousand miles away as long as the media (also doing it for profit) choose not to cover it, and instead slander their entire country as racist instead? It's obvious that slave holders were doing what they were doing for profit, but culturally they were Christian. The abolitionists were profoundly Christian. Read the lyrics to the Battle Hymn of the Republic. It's quite terrifying.
Tainari88 wrote:Society has to improve and progress, otherwise why suffer and suffer generation to generation and never see a better day with more humane rights for all? I would not like that dystopia?
Society has improved for all. Poor people have smart phones and big screen tvs. However, technology and science also give us crack cocaine, methamphetamines, heroin, nuclear weapons, etc.
Tainari88 wrote:And they burn down Tulsa with impunity for the white criminals? How are they supposed to believe and respect what is not theirs? You tell me?
What I will tell you is that white criminals and globalists didn't burn down Tulsa. Democrats did.
Tainari88 wrote:So what are the young ones going to do? Not only Black but Latino, Asians, Whites?
What they are doing right now. Protesting, burning things, getting violent. Or, driving for DoorDash and making some money that way.
Tainari88 wrote:How can you be the way you are about African Americans and say the things you say and love their Jazz and Blues music.
There's what I say, and you regurgitating it into garden variety bigotry and saying I said something I didn't say. They are very different things.
Tainari88 wrote:You don't like my disapproval of your lack of history knowledge of African Americans.
I see them as Americans. So I view it as American history, not African American history. Have you been to the court house in downtown St. Louis, where the Dred Scott v. Sanford case was first heard? Is that African American history or white history? How do you disconnect them? Going down the Mississippi River, I'm looking at a place like Cairo, Illinois and became very obvious to me why the North won, and the thinking of people like Ulysses Grant. When I'm headed to a place like New Orleans, I'm learning about how Africans brought over their religion and that's why there is a legacy of "voodoo", etc. It's African religion. Then, I think back to reading Ryszard Kapuściński and his travels in Africa and his impressions. Witch doctors, casting spells on people, etc. Or the decline of the New Orleans ship yards as a result of the stoppage of trade between the US and Cuba in other books.
Tainari88 wrote:You hate my guts and think me a horrible woman you don't like at all....
He he ha. I do find you a bit evasive and inclined to generalize, but not a horrible person.
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