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skinster wrote:Your boring life story has nothing to do with Venezuela. But now that you keep talking about your family, it's a shame they didn't starve to death by sanctions the likes of which people like you support, because then that'd mean you wouldn't exist and life would be slightly less boring.
skinster wrote:OK dude who starved and then not-starved, cool story.
JohnRawls wrote:At some point you have to admit this. Also this begs a question, why support a system that can't feed its own people?
Patrickov wrote:My questions would be:
1. Why support a System that cannot defend itself from Imperialism?
2. Why support a System that is inferior to Western Imperialism?
3. Why support a race who refuse to maintain a good, open and fair system?
JohnRawls wrote:It depends on what you think as inferior. If you look at HK as an example, sure, British imperealism did a lot of good on top of some bad overall. But it doesn't mean that Western Imperealism can't be as bad or even worse than Venezuela today. There are pretty horrible examples from the 19th century about this. So it heavily depends on how this Western Imperealism manifests itself. If it manifests itself as a HK model of sorts then you are right but if it manifests as Belgian Congo than fuck it.
Not that i consider Guiado a Western imperialist though. He can be described like that in a very loose sense because he is asking help from outside of the country to combat Maduro.
JohnRawls wrote:On paper Venezuelan system is that. But just on paper. For example Russia also has a constitution, seperation of power, free speech, rule of law etc. But once again, just on paper. The implementation itself is as important as what you write on the paper. If Venezuela actually did live up to its values that are on paper there then I wouldn't see any problems with it. The problem is that it doesn't.
To JohnRawls, a former member of the privileged class in the USSR, skinster wrote:This thread is about Venezuela, not your boring family.
Absher, Grier & Grier (2020) wrote:Abstract
We study the economic effects of durable left-populist leaders in Latin America. Using synthetic control to create a credible counterfactual for four such regimes, we find that they have, on average, a negative, significant, and sizeable average effect on income. Specifically, these countries at the end of their treatment periods end up over 20% poorer on average than what the average of their synthetic counterfactuals predict. We find negative and significant single country effects on real per-capita GDP in Venezuela, Nicaragua, and Bolivia. Only in Ecuador does GDP keep up with its synthetic counterfactual. We investigate whether there is a trade-off, where national income was sacrificed to improve inequality or health. We find no significant average counter-veiling trade-off in decreased levels of income inequality or infant mortality relative to what the average synthetic predicts.
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