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ness31 wrote:So now I’m being childish. :eh:

Where are we at? A childish, paedo loving, racist cunt who refuse to adhere to an accepted narrative being laid out by my forum peers.

It’s been a good day for me on pofo. I have a human rights commission complaint right there :lol:

No one has used more vulgar words to describe you in this thread than you, yourself have.

You might end up suing yourself for slander for this, and by the way, this might be expensive for you no matter who wins. :lol:
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QatzelOk wrote:No one has used more vulgar words to describe you in this thread than you, yourself have.

You might end up suing yourself for slander for this, and by the way, this might be expensive for you no matter who wins. :lol:



Oh, so now I’m deranged :lol:

Keep typing my dear. People can read for themselves.
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We can, ness, and you might want to settle down. You used that language to describe yourself and you got very excitable about someone's use of the word 'mafia' in this thread about a powerful blackmailing org as if it's in any way an unfair description, when it's entirely fitting. Relax. :)
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QatzelOk wrote:I am now 100% sure that Jeffrey is still alive.

How are you so sure? If they evacuated Epstein, Maxwell should have been evacuated too, but she was rather "hiding" in a million-dollar estate in the middle of New Hampshire, where the authorities could easily access her. In my opinion she was under voluntary house arrest for her own safety.
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Have fun guys.... Some juicy shit in there. That's Virginia's deposition. Explosive accusations.

Here's the boring version(full document dump):
https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/43 ... er_by=desc

Oh god there's too much to cover.... Some highlights:


Virginia Giuffre better hire some bodyguards and beef-up her security stat.
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Virginia Giuffre witnessed Bill Clinton's presence on the island with two young girls, and testified under oath he was involved in sex orgies.

We all knew this was inevitably going to be revealed.

Meanwhile President Donald Trump is mentioned in the documents as being a prude that didn't hang around with Epstein as much as people think, and never frequented his island, but made inappropriate flirtatious jokes. Maybe knew about the abuse, but lucky for him Giuffre's testimony pretty much gets him off the hook. President Clinton on the other hand has been directly implicated.

Edit:
https://www.rt.com/usa/496711-unsealed- ... =true&s=09
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Eric Weinstein, a managing director of Thiel Capital having graduated from the Mathematics Department at Harvard University raises some really good questions at the very beginning of this video.



At 8:30, about Prince Andrew's BBC interview, he also says: 'It was effectively an admission that something is so off in the world, something that's so completely bizarre, that that thing would be produced.'

Indeed, something is so off in the world and something so completely bizarre is going on in it that this whole Epstein story could be just a diversion, although in my opinion it isn't.

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maz wrote:Very interesting Scott Adams, who has repeatedly mentioned, discussed and used Derschowitz as a source on his podcasts, is out there shilling for him.

I'm beginning to think there's more to this whole thing on a partisan level. I'm beginning to think that pushing an Epstein public corruption investigation is one way of Trump getting back at the Democrats and the deep state for their attacks on him. There are too many recurring names and offices. For example, the Southern District of New York keeps coming up. They have repeatedly attacked Trump; yet, it appears that the SDNY people may have had a hand in preventing Maxwell from getting arrested, as the firing of Geoffrey Berman seemed to be what immediately precedes the arrest of Maxwell.

That thumbnail picture of Bill Clinton on The Duran video was from the 2016 debates when Donald Trump invited all the people who accused Bill Clinton of rape to the debates as his personal guests. That's why I keep disagreeing with people like @Tainari88 on Trump as a moral actor, as I think Trump is very relevant politically in upending the establishment--particularly as the establishment routinely prosecutes the interests of other than the American electorate. Jeffrey Epstein is probably only the tip of the iceberg. I don't know about you, but I think there is zero chance that Epstein committed suicide.

If you listen to The Duran video, Alexander Mercouris indicates that he thinks the subtext of these documents that is more interesting yet not covered in the media is that the FBI knew about this in 2014; and, at that time, Robert Mueller was the head of the FBI--same guy who was the nominal figurehead that tried a "lawfare" coup against Trump with the Russiagate hoax. Mueller did nothing to bring down Epstein in 2014, but apparently the FBI had talked with Giuffre. Of course, we know that Epstein had deep tentacles into Democratic party politicians. Bill Clinton is a pretty obvious one. Yet, Bill Richardson and former Senator George Mitchell are noted others. Epstein was Derschowitz's client, so there is a motive in trying to undermine Derschowitz. Although, he's an extreme liberal too.

Also keep in mind, unrelated to Epstein, CIA director David Petraeus was ousted and one of the telltales was a tiff between his lover, Paula Broadwell, and Jill Kelley, who appears to have provided quite a bit of "entertainment" to high ranking military brass. The affair between Petraeus and Broadwell was discovered, because they had used Gmail draft folders as a virtual dead drop, not unlike Al Qaeda in Spain before the train bombings.

Here’s the e-mail trick Petraeus and Broadwell used to communicate
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blackjack21 wrote:I'm beginning to think there's more to this whole thing on a partisan level. I'm beginning to think that pushing an Epstein public corruption investigation is one way of Trump getting back at the Democrats and the deep state for their attacks on him. There are too many recurring names and offices. For example, the Southern District of New York keeps coming up. They have repeatedly attacked Trump; yet, it appears that the SDNY people may have had a hand in preventing Maxwell from getting arrested, as the firing of Geoffrey Berman seemed to be what immediately precedes the arrest of Maxwell.


It would be big if true, but I have my doubts. I have not dug into any of this myself and have relied on listening to various alternative/independent media presenters from time to time.

I do find it somewhat odd that some documents were released that specifically re-indicates all of the usual suspects but seems to exonerate Trump. It's just a bit too odd considering that we are in an election season, but it doesn't feel like it. Feels more like the coronavirus is impeding the elections, but that's a whole nother topic.

blackjack21 wrote:That thumbnail picture of Bill Clinton on The Duran video was from the 2016 debates when Donald Trump invited all the people who accused Bill Clinton of rape to the debates as his personal guests. That's why I keep disagreeing with people like @Tainari88 on Trump as a moral actor, as I think Trump is very relevant politically in upending the establishment--particularly as the establishment routinely prosecutes the interests of other than the American electorate. Jeffrey Epstein is probably only the tip of the iceberg. I don't know about you, but I think there is zero chance that Epstein committed suicide.

If you listen to The Duran video, Alexander Mercouris indicates that he thinks the subtext of these documents that is more interesting yet not covered in the media is that the FBI knew about this in 2014; and, at that time, Robert Mueller was the head of the FBI--same guy who was the nominal figurehead that tried a "lawfare" coup against Trump with the Russiagate hoax. Mueller did nothing to bring down Epstein in 2014, but apparently the FBI had talked with Giuffre. Of course, we know that Epstein had deep tentacles into Democratic party politicians. Bill Clinton is a pretty obvious one. Yet, Bill Richardson and former Senator George Mitchell are noted others. Epstein was Derschowitz's client, so there is a motive in trying to undermine Derschowitz. Although, he's an extreme liberal too.



All of that is interesting to me too, but doesn't seem to mean much to me at the moment. I'll just wait for more developments. For now, I am just enjoying all of this.

Trending now on Twitter #BillClintonIsAPedo

Twitter going nuts :lol:
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Beren wrote:In my opinion she was under voluntary house arrest for her own safety.

But that's not what the media reported.

So when it comes to the mafias who are higher up than our presidents and prime ministers, the media will do its best to hide what is really going on.

So all we have left is... our opinions and conspiracy theories.

That is what happens when you let the mafia control information in your society. You know nothing, and when you try to venture a guess, people who loyally watch MSM call you "a conspiracy theorist" because you're not as uninformed, not as uninterested in knowledge, and not as passive as they are.
...

By the way, Ghislaine Maxwell's PR people are telling news companies that her name is pronounced "gee-Len" rather than the much sleazier-sounding "jizz-Len."

It's a French name.

Ghislaine, in French, is pronounced "jizz-Len"

while Guylaine is pronounced "gee-Len"


So her PR people are lying. Her name should be pronounced JIZZ-LEN.

(or maybe her mafia mother lied to her about how her name is really pronounced)
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@blackjack21 wrote:

That's why I keep disagreeing with people like @Tainari88 on Trump as a moral actor, as I think Trump is very relevant politically in upending the establishment--particularly as the establishment routinely prosecutes the interests of other than the American electorate. Jeffrey Epstein is probably only the tip of the iceberg. I don't know about you, but I think there is zero chance that Epstein committed suicide.


I think you have a very different idea of upending the establishment than I do Relampago. I don't think some rich, narcissistic billionaire is separate from an establishment sold out to bankers and con men anyway.

It is more of the same but with less chance at remaining in the shadows.

I find Trump very much part of some corrupt establishment. He is not a politician BJ. But he is a rich fuck that is looking out for the interests of his own pockets and his cronies. Like all of them do. Unconvinced at upending a damn thing BJ.

Plus, he is a very unskilled statesperson that in a big crisis is a problem for national interests for sure. I like Jose Mujica not Donald Trump. Goes to show who I think is a good one for upending the establishment.
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So has anyone bothered to source the original photo of Prince Andrew that Giuffre says is in a box at home somewhere?

That deposition was insightful. Thanks for posting it @colliric
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maz wrote:I do find it somewhat odd that some documents were released that specifically re-indicates all of the usual suspects but seems to exonerate Trump.

Trump clearly met Epstein, but Trump also kicked Epstein out of Mar-a-Lago. By contrast, Clinton was on the so-called "Lolita Express" many times, and he had the reputation consonant with what is alleged of the goings on with Epstein. What's more interesting is that there are many others involved, but the FBI appears to have known about this--much of it criminal--and did nothing about it. I've said multiple times, it's just too pat that we see people like Robert Mueller, James Comey and Patrick Fitzgerald popping up all the time with these scandals. Clearly, Epstein ran a blackmail honey pot operation. It's principals are still lurking in the shadows.

QatzelOk wrote:So all we have left is... our opinions and conspiracy theories.

Yes, but opinions and conspiracy theories in this case are much more likely than what we're being told by the media and pundits.

Tainari88 wrote:I think you have a very different idea of upending the establishment than I do Relampago.

I do, but you are talking about transforming it from capitalist into socialist, which is a revolutionary matter.

Tainari88 wrote:I don't think some rich, narcissistic billionaire is separate from an establishment sold out to bankers and con men anyway.

Do you think Donald Trump has scrupulously groomed people to assume unelected government bureaucratic positions over many decades, put people in elected positions, used these people to thwart adversaries, etc? Trump is rich, but he wasn't born that wealthy. Compare and contrast the previous generation of Kennedys; Jay, David and Nelson Rockefeller, Pete du Pont, and so forth.

Tainari88 wrote:It is more of the same but with less chance at remaining in the shadows.

American old money doesn't consider Donald Trump to be one of "them."

Tainari88 wrote:I like Jose Mujica not Donald Trump. Goes to show who I think is a good one for upending the establishment.

I don't see how someone like Mujica could even get elected in the US. You really have to fight hard to become president of the United States--harder than Mitt Romney was willing to fight.
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By Beren
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QatzelOk wrote:So all we have left is... our opinions and conspiracy theories.

And commonsense.

So Epstein is either dead and Maxwell ran to the authorities and gave herself up for her own survival or they took the risk of staging Jeffrey's death and evacuating him just because he'd done the almighty Zionist mafia so much good while also being Jewish and now he's having a good time somewhere with fellow reptilian agents that also deserve a nice retirement from Mossad, plus they forgot about Ghislaine completely.

Which one does your commonsense tell you to be true and realistic?
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Beren wrote:And commonsense.

So Epstein is either dead and Maxwell ran to the authorities and gave herself up for her own survival or they took the risk of staging Jeffrey's death and evacuating him just because he'd done the almighty Zionist mafia so much good while also being Jewish and now he's having a good time somewhere with fellow reptilian agents that also deserve a nice retirement from Mossad, plus they forgot about Ghislaine completely.

Which one does your commonsense tell you to be true and realistic?

My common sense tells me Jeffrey Epstein is alive and being rewarded for his great work for the mafia.

But to call this "common sense," is a bit of a stretch. "Common sense" refers to lessons that are gleaned in day-to-day life by relating to other people from different backgrounds and viewpoints.

But understanding the goings-on of an international mafia that works very hard to cover its tracks by "owning media" and "owning politicians".... is a much more complex thinking process that can't be resolved using "life lessons" gained from living a normal life.

blackjack21 wrote:Yes, but opinions and conspiracy theories in this case are much more likely than what we're being told by the media and pundits.

Thanks for providing this support for conspiracy theories. I agree that, in a world where information is tightly controlled by power, "conspiracy theories" are often more accurate than what is written in the New York Times or on CNN.
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