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Julian658 wrote:In the USA I meet two types of Latin Americans:
1. Born in the USA
2. Immigrants

The ones born in the USA, particularly if they are 2nd generation and up acquire the USA policy of race identity groups. Some eventually embrace the noble victim status and start talking like some American blacks with regards to victimhood.

The ones born in Latin America have a much superior sense of self identity and much better self esteem. They never embrace victimhood and see America as a paradise.

The same applies to USA born blacks versus immigrants from Africa or the West indies. The latter are totally different with much better self esteem.

Watch this video at 2:00. It is a young bright woman that has come to America to go college and is in shock with the identity politics. Even though she is clearly of African ancestry she had no concept of racial groups growing up and the end result is magnificent self esteem.


That's because us immigrants can compare the US with other societies, and even though America has its own share of serious problems (identity politics didn't come out from nowhere, you know? And let's not get into healthcare), we can appreciate its pros. Living abroad helps a lot to understand your own society.

I think it would be healthy for Americans to live in Latin America for a while. Not to go as a tourist, but actually live there, earn and live like a Latin American, deal with our societies' bullshit (which can easily be as bad as America's, and is worse) and then go back to the US and compare. Start by comparing poor American inner-city neighborhoods with Latin American ones, or American public housing with Latin American one, and then we can talk.

I'm pretty sure many Americans would say they have fond memories of Latin America, that but decide to stay in the US regardless. And they would hopefully start to understand why is it that Mexicans and Central Americans are willing to do whatever it takes (even if they die in the process) to get into the US and begin to adopt a more rational, and compassionate, position on immigration taking into account where they are coming from.
#15111922
Reality wrote:Covid-19 deaths per million

Cuba: 8
Florida: 361


It's interesting to compare these two because they're so close geographically, and have very similar climate.

Obviously, Florida is a geriatric region of a third-world country and Cuba is fully developed. But the numbers are still dramatic.
#15112038
SpecialOlympian wrote:We should nuke Cuba to free the citizens from socialism. They will thank us for it.

They will greet us with open arms never gets old.

Americans now talk in propaganda (see above quote) because it's been their best friend and most frequent social group for the last 70 years. Living in Suburbia, sitting in a car all day, you learn to "make friends" with commercial products including propaganda.
#15112060
skinster wrote:https://twitter.com/JoseJuMarti/status/1291372425989562369?s=20


That is not helpful. If the number of protests/riots was the mean by which we measure whether a society/government is free or democratic, then North Korea would probably make it high up there in the least :lol: .
I can understand the equivocation, after all, we associate the ability of a country's people to protest as freedom of expression/speech. But understand that this does not translate well for those countries such as Cuba that has tight control of its population's education, information, communications, internet (until recently they didn't even have access at all!), etc.
It is not therefore surprising that we see protests in Hong Kong but not in Beijing, after all hong kong was more "westernized."
#15112061
XogGyux wrote:That is not helpful. If the number of protests/riots was the mean by which we measure whether a society/government is free or democratic, then North Korea would probably make it high up there in the least :lol: .
I can understand the equivocation, after all, we associate the ability of a country's people to protest as freedom of expression/speech. But understand that this does not translate well for those countries such as Cuba that has tight control of its population's education, information, communications, internet (until recently they didn't even have access at all!), etc.
It is not therefore surprising that we see protests in Hong Kong but not in Beijing, after all hong kong was more "westernized."


Plus, they simply begin to round them up before they even arrive at the scene :|
#15112065
XogGyux wrote:That is not helpful. If the number of protests/riots was the mean by which we measure whether a society/government is free or democratic, then North Korea would probably make it high up there in the least :lol: .
I can understand the equivocation, after all, we associate the ability of a country's people to protest as freedom of expression/speech. But understand that this does not translate well for those countries such as Cuba that has tight control of its population's education, information, communications, internet (until recently they didn't even have access at all!), etc.
It is not therefore surprising that we see protests in Hong Kong but not in Beijing, after all hong kong was more "westernized."

I agree! Every once in a while you write a good post.

Since you lived there you can teach these commies a thing or two.
#15112080
QatzelOk wrote:They will greet us with open arms never gets old.

Americans now talk in propaganda (see above quote) because it's been their best friend and most frequent social group for the last 70 years. Living in Suburbia, sitting in a car all day, you learn to "make friends" with commercial products including propaganda.


I never said anything about them greeting us with open arms. I only said that cleansing hellfire will free them from socialism. Don't put words in my mouth, you sophist.
#15112230
skinster wrote:It's a testament to the powers of corporate propaganda that there are a bunch of people spending energy on hating a little Caribbean island that harms nobody / provides for its people and others worldwide.

:D

Provides for its people? Where do you read such propaganda?
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