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By Pants-of-dog
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Doug64 wrote:What @Hindsite said.


So you agree with the fake Christian. Cool.

It still does not change the fact that in the context of police brutality (i.e. what 5e protests are about) supoorting police is the same as supporting police brutality.

Are you actually claiming that media outlets don’t have political agendas? I’ll remember that the next time you complain about Fox News and the Washington Times.


Provide evidence that the media companies are in a conspiracy with the leftists, Hollywood, and academia to make the USA communist. Thanks.

Kamala Harris has served in the US Senate for three full years. In that time, on GovTrack’s ideology scale running from most Liberal at 0 up to 100 for most Conservative, she has scored 14, 5, and 0 for an average of 6.33. That is not a Moderate (40-60) voting record. It isn’t even Moderate Liberal (61-80). To be fair, she isn’t more Liberal than Sanders, over the same three years his average was 3. But she’s certainly keeping him company.


As for Harris, she may be the most progressive Senator, but since the Senate let a sitting president deliberately ignore congressional oversight, that is not saying much.

Harris seems to be moderate for US politics:
https://www.politicalcompass.org/uselection2020
By Doug64
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Pants-of-dog wrote:So you agree with the fake Christian. Cool.

It still does not change the fact that in the context of police brutality (i.e. what 5e protests are about) supoorting police is the same as supporting police brutality.

As soon as the protests became about defunding the police and turned to riots, arson, and looting, they ceased to be about police brutality and became about mobs versus law and order.

Provide evidence that the media companies are in a conspiracy with the leftists, Hollywood, and academia to make the USA communist. Thanks.

Please point to anywhere I’ve said that the MSM(D) are engaging in conspiracy.

As for Harris, she may be the most progressive Senator, but since the Senate let a sitting president deliberately ignore congressional oversight, that is not saying much.

That’s a rather odd position. Are you asserting that because the Senate doesn’t pass socialist laws, therefore Sanders isn’t a socialist?

Harris seems to be moderate for US politics:
https://www.politicalcompass.org/uselection2020

In the case of GovTrack, Harris’s ranking is based on her actual votes in the Senate. Please provide the basis for the Political Compass’s assessment of Harris’s position—I suspect it’s based on what she’s said rather than what she’s done, and I’ll take the latter over the former.
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By Pants-of-dog
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Doug64 wrote:As soon as the protests became about defunding the police and turned to riots, arson, and looting, they ceased to be about police brutality and because about mobs versus law and order.


Defunding the police is, again, more consistent with original libertarianism than the right wing US version. Especially since the call to defund the police is based on the fact that police engage in brutality and killings against poor people, people of colour, and people with mental illness.

Your belief that the the protests “turned to riots” et cetera is probably due to the incorrect news you prefer.

Please point to anywhere I’ve said that the MSM(D) are engaging in conspiracy.


Sorry, I assumed that you had the same beliefs about MSM D that every other person who complains about them has: a melding of the Democratic Party, the mainstream media, Hollywood and the fringe academic left, all for the purpose of imposing “liberal” values on the USA.

You presumably believe some other thing?

That’s a rather odd position. Are you asserting that because the Senate doesn’t pass socialist laws, therefore Sanders isn’t a socialist?


Sanders is not a socialist because he does not support public ownership of the means of production. As a Senator, he is (at best) an ineffective check against Republican attacks against democracy.

In the case of GovTrack, Harris’s ranking is based on her actual votes in the Senate. Please provide the basis for the Political Compass’s assessment of Harris’s position—I suspect it’s based on what she’s said rather than what she’s done, and I’ll take the latter over the former.


The methodology is available from the link I provided.
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By Beren
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colliric wrote:


Fuck Biden. I knew he was going to pick a dud VP.

And here is The Ingraham Angle from Fox News. The Biden campaign just must have been positioning themselves right (in the centre). :lol:

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By Hindsite
#15113132
colliric wrote:https://youtu.be/kzuA3fjTUg0

Fuck Biden. I knew he was going to pick a dud VP.

Biden is a dud himself. Trump originally said she would be a good pick for Biden. I suppose that is because, as a former prosecutor and California Attorney General, she is good at attacking. As Trump, recently pointed out, she was a nasty attack dog against Brett Kavanaugh.
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By jimjam
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Amid reports of significant mail delays, Ronald Stroman, who stepped down earlier this year as the second in command at USPS, said he was concerned about the speed and timing of changes that appeared to be implemented after Louis DeJoy, the new postmaster general, took office in June. Fears increased after Louis DeJoy, a major Trump donor with no prior USPS experience, took over the agency.

Shortly after he started at the postal service the agency began prohibiting overtime and that postal workers should leave mail behind at processing plants if it would cause them to leave late. Mark Jamison, a former postmaster in North Carolina who retired from the agency in 2012, said the idea of leaving first class mail – which includes letters with a regular stamp – was anathema to the culture of USPS. “The rule has always been you clear every piece of first class mail out of a plant every day, period,” he said. “There has never been, never, in the 30 years I worked for the post office, there has never been a time when you curtail first class mail.”

The majority of US states require absentee ballots to arrive by election day, regardless of when the voter puts them in the mail, in order to be counted.

DeJoy: “While I certainly have a good relationship with the president of the United States, the notion that I would ever make decisions concerning the Postal Service at the direction of the president, or anyone else in the administration, is wholly off-base.” Right Lou, "off base" for sure ……. :lol: :lol: :lol:
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By jimjam
#15113226
This unconfirmed report "from the internet" just in: Fox Fake News has a UTube video of Kamala Harris passing gas …… :eek: .
By Doug64
#15113279
Amazing, the lengths some people will go to in attempt to make voter fraud easier:

RNC, Trump campaign file lawsuit against 'rogue' county auditors in Iowa

    The Trump campaign and the Republican National Committee asked a court Wednesday to stop some county auditors in Iowa from pre-emptively filling out information on absentee ballots sent to voters — an action the GOP contends invites fraud.

    The RNC and the Trump campaign, along with other GOP-aligned groups, claim auditors in Linn and Johnson counties violated state law by sending out absentee ballots with prepopulated personal data on the form, including a voter verification number.

    State law requires an individual complete the application on their own, the Republican groups argued.

    “The responsibility of filling out personal information on absentee ballot applications is a key safeguard to confirm the applicant’s identity and should rest squarely with the voter. The rogue county auditors must immediately stop their harmful actions that threaten the validity of and confidence in the upcoming election,” said Ronna McDaniel, chairwoman of the RNC.

    Matthew Morgan, general counsel for President Trump’s 2020 campaign, said standing up for election safeguards is an attempt to ensure eligible voters can safely cast ballots this fall.

    “Dropping thousands of ballot applications with personal information already filled out in the mail is wildly irresponsible,” Mr. Morgan said.

    The complaint alleges Travis Weipert, a Democrat who is the auditor of Johnson County, vowed to mail out forms with prepopulated data that would include the voter’s name, birth date, and other sensitive information the voter is required to provide.

    “Defendant made public statements to the effect that he knew that the Secretary of State had ordered him not to do so but that he planned to ignore the directive,” the lawsuit alleged.

    Joel Miller, a Democrat, and auditor of Linn County was also sued under the same allegations.

    Mr. Weipert did not respond to a request for comment, and Mr. Miller said he just became aware of the lawsuit today.

    “On the advice of my attorney, an assistant Linn County Attorney, I have nothing to say at this time,” Mr. Miller told The Washington Times.

    The Democratic Party of Iowa also did not respond to a request for comment, though it is not named as a defendant in the lawsuit.

    The filings Wednesday are two of 40 election-related lawsuits the RNC is involved in ahead of the November election.

And all over an issue Dr. Fauci says isn’t necessary, anyway:

Fauci: No reason why we shouldn't be able to vote in person

    Dr. Anthony Fauci said it should be safe for people to vote in person as long as they take sufficient precautions.

    “I think if carefully done according to the guidelines, there’s no reason that I can see why that not be the case,” Dr. Fauci told National Geographic in an interview that aired Thursday.

    He pointed out that grocery stores have marks intended to keep people at least six feet apart.

    “You can do that,” said Dr. Fauci, director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases. “If you go and wear a mask, if you observe the physical distancing and don’t have a crowded situation, there’s no reason why you shouldn’t be able to do that.”

    He said people who are at higher risk or don’t want to take the chance can have a vote-by-mail option.

    “There’s no reason why we shouldn’t be able to vote, in person or otherwise,” he said.

    Dr. Fauci’s comments came as Democrats and President Trump are locked in a stalemate over funding for the U.S. Postal Service.

    Democrats had pushed for $25 billion for the post office and $3.5 billion for vote-by-mail efforts, though it appeared that negotiators had settled on $10 billion for USPS in the most recent round of negotiations.

    Democrats, who have effusively praised Dr. Fauci throughout the course of the pandemic, say the additional money is necessary so people don’t have to risk their health by going to the polls in person.

    Mr. Trump said Thursday that near-universal vote-by-mail isn’t going to work without that additional money, which is holding up broader negotiations on the next coronavirus relief package.

    White House press secretary Kayleigh McEnany called Democrats’ $3.5 billion ask for vote-by-mail “fundamentally unserious.”
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By Drlee
#15113284
Well this is where we differ @doug64. Unlike you I believe that democracy is best served when everyone participated. Unlike you I know that Trump's bullshit about election fraud is exactly that. His own commission could not find any evidence of significant election fraud though they did send a couple of republicans to jail for minor cases. And unlike you I do not believe that deliberately racist voter suppression is not a good thing.

But unlike you Doug, I am a Christian conservative and believe in the constitution. That is what conservatives do.
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By maz
#15113285
Here are the Biden campaign's first two 2020 election campaign issues:

Something something nazis. Orange man bad.



Because everyone is now a corona suspect, everyone has to wear a mask all the time.

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By Beren
#15113356
maz wrote:Here are the Biden campaign's first two 2020 election campaign issues:

Something something nazis. Orange man bad.


They just utilize that Trump put himself on the far-right or on the same page with the far-right at least. America First is also a far-right idea in the sense that it's pretty much right of the centre where Biden positions himself. They're pushing for a (centrist) Classic/Traditional Americanism vs (far-right) America First theme. The contrast between Harris and Pence is even sharper.
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By maz
#15113373
Beren wrote:They just utilize that Trump put himself on the far-right or on the same page with the far-right at least. America First is also a far-right idea in the sense that it's pretty much right of the centre where Biden positions himself. They're pushing for a (centrist) Classic/Traditional Americanism vs (far-right) America First theme. The contrast between Harris and Pence is even sharper.


It seems like people forget that Charlottesville wasn't about secret internet nazis coming out of the shadows to terrorize blacks, Jews and LGBT people, but that it was really about protecting a confederate monument. Even I had forgotten that the primary goal of the demonstration was about protecting the monument.

Although TIME uses the pro-antifa journalist framing of the event in the title and most of the article, they actually get it right in the very first paragraph.

Unrest in Virginia

Violence erupted in the college town of Charlottesville on Aug. 12 after hundreds of white nationalists and their supporters who gathered for a rally over plans to remove a Confederate statue were met by counter-protesters, leading Virginia’s governor to declare a state of emergency.


The polling over the monument has been consistent since before and after Charlottesville, and the majority of Americans think that they should stay up.

Majority say Confederate statues should remain: poll

A majority of voters said they believe statues of Confederate figures should remain standing despite nationwide calls to remove them from public spaces, according to a new Harvard CAPS/Harris poll released Tuesday to The Hill.

Fifty-eight percent of respondents said the statues should remain, while 42 percent said they should be removed.


Even Huffington Post has to admit that even after all the hype over Charlottesville that support for removing statues was only at 33%.

olling on Confederate symbols has proved to be especially sensitive to the way survey questions are framed. In the summer of 2017, support polls placed support for keeping Confederate memorials at anywhere from 62% (when asked as a choice between letting statues “remain as a historical symbol” and removing them “because they are offensive to some people”) to just 26% (when the choice was between keeping monuments on government property or relocating them “to museums or other historic sites where they can be viewed in proper historical context.”)

But comparing back to a 2017 HuffPost/YouGov poll, which posed the same set of questions, the new survey finds that opinions have not significantly changed in the intervening years. Then, support for taking down Confederate monuments also stood at just 33% in the aftermath of a violent white nationalist rally in Charlottesville, Virginia, which opposed efforts to remove a statue of Confederate Gen. Robert E. Lee.


The movement to get the statues and monuments removed was always an unpopular fringe, extremist movement and it still is today even after Charlottesville.

In the aftermath of the George Floyd incident, statues all over the US have been removed, often by violent mobs of antifa and Black Lives Matter. I think centrist Americans now associate the removal of the monuments with the George Floyd riots, burning down buildings looting and all the rest.

I don't agree that Biden is taking a a (centrist) Classic/Traditional Americanism position when he virtue signals about Charlottesvile.

I think he's taking a fringe extremist position and signalling to Black Lives Matter and antifa, who are widely viewed by many as unpopular fringe, violent extremists.

In addition to all that, the legitimacy of "fine people on both sides," and Trump siding with Nazis has been challenged now for a long time, and basically debunked. Only people who believe that secret Russian agents hacked the election still believe the "fine people on both sides" interpretation by pro-antifa journalists. Granted, that is still a lot of people!

Trump Didn't Call Neo-Nazis 'Fine People.' Here's Proof.

By Steve Cortes
March 21, 2019
Trump Didn't Call Neo-Nazis 'Fine People.' Here's Proof.
AP Photo/Pablo Martinez Monsivais

News anchors and pundits have repeated lies about Donald Trump and race so often that some of these narratives seem true, even to Americans who embrace the fruits of the president’s policies. The most pernicious and pervasive of these lies is the “Charlottesville Hoax,” the fake-news fabrication that he described the neo-Nazis who rallied in Charlottesville, Va., in August 2017 as “fine people.”

Just last week I exposed this falsehood, yet again, when CNN contributor Keith Boykin falsely stated, “When violent people were marching with tiki torches in Charlottesville, the president said they were ‘very fine people.’” When I objected and detailed that Trump’s “fine people on both sides” observation clearly related to those on both sides of the Confederate monument debate, and specifically excluded the violent supremacists, anchor Erin Burnett interjected, “He [Trump] didn’t say it was on the monument debate at all. No, they didn’t even try to use that defense. It’s a good one, but no one’s even tried to use it, so you just used it now.”

My colleagues seem prepared to dispute our own network’s correct contemporaneous reporting and the very clear transcripts of the now-infamous Trump Tower presser on the tragic events of Charlottesville.

As a man charged with publicly explaining Donald Trump’s often meandering and colloquial vernacular in highly adversarial TV settings, I appreciate more than most the sometimes-murky nature of his off-script commentaries. But these Charlottesville statements leave little room for interpretation. For any honest person, therefore, to conclude that the president somehow praised the very people he actually derided, reveals a blatant and blinding level of bias.

Nonetheless, countless so-called journalists have furthered this damnable lie. For example, MSNBC’s Nicolle Wallace responded that Trump had “given safe harbor to Nazis, to white supremacists.” Her NBC colleague Chuck Todd claimed Trump “gave me the wrong kind of chills. Honestly, I’m a bit shaken from what I just heard.” Not to be outdone, print also got in on the act, with the New York Times spewing the blatantly propagandist headline: “Trump Gives White Supremacists Unequivocal Boost.” How could the Times possibly reconcile that Trump, who admonished that the supremacists should be “condemned totally” somehow also delivered an “unequivocal boost” to those very same miscreants?


The Biden Campaign Admits Its Central Theme is a Lie

It all started at a campaign event in Iowa, when Joel Pollak of Breitbart News asked Biden if he was aware that the central theme of his campaign was built on a lie. It turns out Biden was not aware of that. Or possibly he decided to defend his mistake anyway, because politics. But either way, Biden’s central campaign theme — that President Trump once said neo-Nazis in Charlottesville were “fine people” — was challenged in front of the public, as cameras rolled. Biden gave a spirited defense of his view and moved on.

So who was right?

This is an easy one to score. The disagreement is over the president’s comments after Charlottesville, which were recorded by every major news organization in the country. All the press needs to do is publish the transcript and let the public see for themselves. Did Trump call neo-Nazis “fine people” as Biden claims, or did Trump say the opposite, as Joel Pollak of Breitbart News asserted?

I’ll give you the two relevant sentences from the president’s comments on Charlottesville and then show the full transcript so you can see for yourself that I pulled the right sentences.

Talking about the protests in Charlottesville, President Trump said…

“. . . But you also had people who were very fine people on both sides. . . I’m not talking about the neo-Nazis and the white nationalists, because they should be condemned totally.”

Here is the full transcript so you can check for yourself.

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If you don’t trust the transcript, here is a video of Trump saying these words.

The president was crystal clear in saying he was NOT talking about the white nationalists and neo-Nazis, and that they should be “condemned totally.” Many critics of the president, when presented with the actual transcript, retreat to claims that no “fine people” would attend such an event. That is irrelevant to the central claim, because Trump stated his assumption that some non-racist protesters attended, then spoke to that assumption.

Worst case, he got details wrong about who attended. But the clarity with which he excluded the white nationalists and neo-Nazis shows his intentions were not to compliment any racists. He condemned them in plain language.


In my opinion, it is quite amazing to see the Joe Biden camp still using this kind of cheap, bottom of the barrel messaging in light of all the political unrest that is currently being carried out by far left extremists in America.
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By blackjack21
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Wat0n wrote:She does have going for her that she was an AG.

In a normal year, that might be an asset. This year, with Black Lives Matter and Defund the Police, she's the poster for putting black men with a little weed in their pockets in prison, among other things.

Drlee wrote:It is a tax and spend fiscally liberal party that has completely abandoned the notion of personal agency, responsibility and privacy.

You seemed to have little objection to that when Obama was president. Has that changed? We have a deflationary environment right now. Keynesianism calls for tax cuts and increased government spending.

Drlee wrote:If you want a balanced budget? Bill Clinton.

Not without Newt Gingrich.

Drlee wrote:Want government out of the bedroom? Obama.

Both of them backed the Defense of Marriage Act.

Drlee wrote:The fact is that the Republican Party has lost its mojo.

And you think the Democrats haven't? They are encouraged by their own mayors to riot, and when the mayors join them, the rioters call for their resignation. The Democrats are in a civil war at this point. The Republicans just have no stomach for a fight.

Hindsite wrote:Supporting law and order instead of rioting protesters has nothing to do with supporting police brutality.

I don't know about you, but I just don't buy the polls. I think Biden is going to get smoked in November. He came in 5th place in Iowa. Harris wasn't able to break 2% in the polls when she dropped out before voters even cast a ballot.

Rugoz wrote:Harris is a good pick given the state of things.

It would be interesting if she was threatening to come down on rioters, but I don't think we'll be hearing much of that.

Rich wrote:Biden's VP had to be a woman and she had to be Black.

What that tells me is that #WalkAway is real, and Biden isn't going to do as well among blacks as was expected and the Democrats know it.

Beren wrote:Bernie Bros ain't gonna decide shit, Boomers will.

Well, they can basically not show up to vote, which is a likely outcome for many of them.

Doug64 wrote:Which tells us everything about the current racist nature of the Democratic Party. It’s the Republicans that follow Martin Luther King these days: “ I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character. I have a dream that…one day right there in Alabama, little Black boys and Black girls will be able to join hands with little white boys and white girls as sisters and brothers.”

I think it also says that Trump made inroads with black voters, and the media, pollsters and Democrats are hiding that fact. A lot of black people like Trump.

Doug64 wrote:As soon as the protests became about defunding the police and turned to riots, arson, and looting, they ceased to be about police brutality and became about mobs versus law and order.

As soon as soccer moms see police cars and their favorite designer stores on fire, their sympathy dries up quickly.

Pants-of-dog wrote:Defunding the police is, again, more consistent with original libertarianism than the right wing US version.

Yes, but libertarians believe in everyone openly carrying guns.

jimjam wrote:Fears increased after Louis DeJoy, a major Trump donor with no prior USPS experience, took over the agency.

Can we just agree that voting by mail is a bad idea? Secret ballot and voter ID is the way to go.

jimjam wrote:Shortly after he started at the postal service the agency began prohibiting overtime and that postal workers should leave mail behind at processing plants if it would cause them to leave late.

That's awesome! Someone who obviously gets it

Drlee wrote:Unlike you I know that Trump's bullshit about election fraud is exactly that. His own commission could not find any evidence of significant election fraud though they did send a couple of republicans to jail for minor cases.

There's been a Democrat mayor of Atlanta for 141 years. That's twice as long as the communist party controlled the Soviet Union. No fraud in Atlanta. Nope. Not a smidgen as Barack Obama might say.

maz wrote:Here are the Biden campaign's first two 2020 election campaign issues:

Something something nazis. Orange man bad.

The Democrats bringing up left wing rioters in Charlottesville, VA is not exactly a good look for them. The Unite The Right protesters were generally peaceful, and had several preceding peaceful demonstrations. It was the Democrat mayor and governor who organized the counter protests and ended up calling on the police to stand down so that Antifa could use violence with impunity.

Beren wrote:They just utilize that Trump put himself on the far-right or on the same page with the far-right at least.

The rhetoric doesn't work, because Democrat cities are basically lawless right now.

maz wrote:It seems like people forget that Charlottesville wasn't about secret internet nazis coming out of the shadows to terrorize blacks, Jews and LGBT people, but that it was really about protecting a confederate monument. Even I had forgotten that the primary goal of the demonstration was about protecting the monument.

The counter demonstration was specifically orchestrated by the Democrat mayor and governor's political operatives down to having the police stand down, because the previous counter demonstration saw the Unite the Right people protesting lawfully and peacefully, and 20+ Antifa types getting arrested.

maz wrote:In the aftermath of the George Floyd incident, statues all over the US have been removed, often by violent mobs of antifa and Black Lives Matter. I think centrist Americans now associate the removal of the monuments with the George Floyd riots, burning down buildings looting and all the rest.

A lot of people now associate Democrats with burning police cars, burning police stations, looting and burning stores, and general lawlessness--as they should.

maz wrote:I don't agree that Biden is taking a a (centrist) Classic/Traditional Americanism position when he virtue signals about Charlottesvile.

He is unwisely bringing up protests, and Trump noting that some of them were lawful protesters on both sides. Whereas, most of the lawlessness came from the political left. Biden is bringing that up at a time when lawlessness on the political left is front and center for everyone to see.

maz wrote:In my opinion, it is quite amazing to see the Joe Biden camp still using this kind of cheap, bottom of the barrel messaging in light of all the political unrest that is currently being carried out by far left extremists in America.

It's very poor strategy given the current climate. That's why I think Trump is going to win now. Democrats basically didn't listen to voters for 4 years, and adjust their message accordingly.
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By Beren
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maz wrote:It seems like people forget that Charlottesville wasn't about secret internet nazis coming out of the shadows to terrorize blacks, Jews and LGBT people, but that it was really about protecting a confederate monument.

Protecting a confederate monument is also a far-right act, like attacking a confederate monument is a far-left act, because centrists do neither.
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By jimjam
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Wednesday morning, President Trump appeared on Fox Business and said flatly that he isn’t going to adequately fund the U.S. Postal Service so that Americans “can’t have universal mail-in voting.”
People stuck in their houses are increasingly reliant on the postal service to deliver purchases and medicine as they avoid in-person shopping, and increasingly aware of its problems. The president, meanwhile, appears to be betting that crippling the postal system will be more helpful to him on Election Day than it is politically harmful.

Hey! At least our fat carnival barker in chief tells the truth for once :) So, it looks like jimjam will have to drive the 2300 mile round trip to vote in Fatso's rigged election. Sho nuf is good to have a "business man" running the nation :eek:
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By Rancid
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Sivad wrote:https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Cfp_IIdVnXs

the progs went from "defund the police" to 'elect the police' overnight. :lol:


Tulsi's my girl man. Her or/and Yang... :hmm:
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By jimjam
#15113414
Policies of Louis DeJoy, Obese Donald's pretend postmaster and inner circle dick sucker, are suspicious — for instance, proposing to take as many as 671 mail-processing machines offline, out of service just before the November election, when we expect a crush of ballots.
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