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annatar1914 wrote:This is why I for a long time believed that ISIS had permanently changed the entire world, by returning the Middle East essentially to what it always has been
I also thought that ISIS would survive and even eventually be victorious, because it's enemies hate and fear each other more than they hate and fear ISIS, and would never do enough to administer a death blow to ISIS permanently.
Trump isn't making these peace deals between Israel and the Arab states for peace, but for war, war against Iran when he gets re-elected
So ISIS gets a new lease on life, and won't be stopped until after this situation with Iran is resolved.
It wasn't ISIS's intention to turning the region back to what it was, but to create an extremist and sectarian state all over the multi-religious region. With the help of its Western funders.
Considering the enemies of ISIS for the most part succeeded against them, I'm not sure what the above is based on.
The peace deals are not about peace at all. Anything that the U.S. talks about when referring to peace in the middle east is the exact opposite of what they're saying. Still, those recent peace deals are absurd since a) there hasn't been war between the states that I know of and b) the people in those states oppose them anyway and have been protesting against them. It's just some make-up for the Trump team to wear during election season and ultimately, meaningless.
There is no situation to resolve with Iran rather than stopping the war on the country that's been repeatedly attacked by the West for decades. If ISIS is given a new lease of life, it will be due to West, but I doubt it.
annatar1914 wrote:ISIS and groups of that sort idolize the period of the initial Islamic conquests and the first four Caliphs as normative and righteous. And, I'm sure they get more than Western funding, from Muslim sympathizers too.
It's a formal lining up to stay out of the way when Iran is attacked.
Oxymoron wrote:Will this war ever be over?
Most oppose them, which is why they haven't been too successful in Syria. But you're right about them getting support from Western governments, if that's what you meant. The U.S. has a history of arming/funding extremists.
Or just theatre to make Trump look good, despite other actions of his all over the ME.
Also, I doubt Iran will be attacked in the way that Iraq was, because of how that would threaten Israel.
annatar1914 wrote:Now, regarding the recent spate of peace agreements in the Middle East, and my contention that it is really a clearing out to get out of the way of Israel and/or the US in preparations for a regional war (that is, these peace treaties are really ''non-aggression pacts/neutrality pacts''),
I go on the internet a lot, looking at various political chat boards and the like, and you'd be surprised at the animosity Dispensationalists/Christian Zionists have for these peace treaties, it really surprised me. Of course, I haven't looked into too much of the ''fine print'' as it were just yet either-it's possible that some Israelis/Zionists see a distinct disadvantage to them. So no, it doesn't confer too much of an advantage for President Trump.
Iran is going to be attacked in a manner of which kind and degree hasn't been seen since 1945, in my opinion.
They don't have a history of war.
Anyway, these deals are meaningless since they've been unofficial allies before these stupid peace deals. Saudi Arabia will probably be next in signing a "peace deal" with Israel and that won't be surprising either because we already know they work together.
Not sure why you're telling me this.
What are you basing your opinion on?
annatar1914 wrote:They are part of the trend of peace agreements, leading up to those countries that have had a past of war with Israel.
Right, and Iran and those allied to Iran knew that as well.
Because the ''Christian Zionists'' are already in Trump's camp as far as voting him back in for re-election goes, and so it confers no real political advantage for him unless it means war with Iran eventually.
Iran will in a matter of months have a national native means of enrichment of weapons grade nuclear material and the means to launch such weapons long ranges.
Also, Iran has sworn revenge for the assassination of General Suleimani, that an American official of at least equal importance will be assassinated. This means war.
They haven't "had a past of war with Israel" though. They belong to the US/UK, like Saudi Arabia and Israel.
Exactly, they likely consider them to be meaningless too.
The "peace deals" are just marketing for the election.
Iran hasn't threatened to assassinate any American official, nor does it want war. If one happens it won't be them starting it, it'll be the usual suspects.
annatar1914 wrote:The point I was trying to make was that it'll lead up to the other nations that have been at war with Israel, to make a clear if technically obscured choice to stay out of the coming war with Iran and it's allies in the M.E.
Sure; ''treaties are like pie crusts, made to be broken'', and that's part of the Islamist worldview too with Non-Muslims
The whole point of marketing is to have something to sell, and what Trump is offering is peace, and possibly to an ardent Zionist, a peace that is worse than war. Again, I haven't looked at all the details yet of these agreements. Could be Israel is being played for a sucker, you never know.
Edit; hardcore Zionists hate these agreements between Israel and the Arab Muslim states, and a couple reasons is pretty sound from their point of view;
Admittedly a American Zionist source, but likely one of the few that would run the story.
Admittedly again, same bunch, but likely one of the few to carry that sort of story. Doesn't mean it isn't true.
Edit; in light of what I just had said there, comes this report that the Iranians want to kill President Trump whether he is re-elected or not;
So, it seems that the United States and Iran are headed on a collision course.
I thought you'd be on board here since the countries making war on Syria include the U.S. and Israel. Are you one of those Trump supporters that believed he was serious about ending the war on Syria?
The states that are part of the peace deals were already allies with Israel. Bahrain sold it weapons in the past. This is all marketing for the election.
What a weird thing to say when we know that the Islamist or sectarian-run states in the region have had decades-long running deals/alliances with non-Muslims, i.e. the UK, US & Israel.
Trump is not offering peace.
Basically what happened was Kushner the son-in-law of Trump went around to his mates in those gulf states asking to make official what was already a thing about their alliances with Israel, trying to make them look like they're about peace in the region when their actions under Trump's presidency where they've joined forces with Nethanyahu in denying Palestinians their own state, shows they're clearly not interested in peace there. But it appears that some people fall for this shit.
And also, I'd recommend you stop trusting reports that cite anonymous officials or US intel. The Russian-bounties-in-Afghanistan made-up-story recently should be a good reminder why you don't trust what they say, not to mention the four years of Russiagate nonsense. It was U.S. officials making the claim about Iranian threats to assassinate the South African ambassador and South Africa has discredited these claims as you can read all about in the article below.
Again, the agreements mean nothing and sure extremists Zionists might oppose them but that just shows how ignorant they are since they don't already know these states have been allies with Israel for quite some time already.
That article is not evidence for anything. Although it does remind us that Iran is still in the JCPOA with European states, which would prevent it from building nuclear weapons anyway, something the leaders of the state have always opposed too. You should know better about WMD claims at your age.
Yes it does. I recommend you stop looking at dodgy Zionist media sites, no wonder you're all over the place here. The Iranians don't run around attacking American or other officials, that's not their MO, despite the US and Israeli assassinations on Iranian military leaders, scientists etc.
Americans always project their actions on those they're attacking. Israelis are even more popular for this. Don't believe the hype.
This is a far-right website that's been repeatedly called out for its lies, hoaxes etc. I recommend you stop getting your info from dodgy websites.
That seems like wishful thinking. Israel would almost definitely be attacked in response to any attack on Iran and I doubt the Israelis or Americans would risk this.
The Neocons believed war on Iran would be easy after Syria fell but the latter didn't happen, which has kinda fucked up their plans since that state borders Israel.
Maybe the article here can help clear up that fog in your mind.
Oxymoron wrote:He is doing a better job of it then Obama, that is for sure. I think the destabilized state is not in the US or Israelis' interests. So the quicker this ends the better.
Let me know if you have any evidence for anything you say and maybe try not to use The Gateway Pundit for that evidence that Iran is building a nuke, that dumb lie you fell for again.
annatar1914 wrote:Pure logic.
Iran has nuclear weapons bought from somewhere,
Your opinion isn't that. I don't know why you keep sharing your opinion with me.
Yep, they bought them at the fish-market last week. My aunt sold them the weapons. Anything I say is true just because I said so. This is me playing you.
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