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Pants-of-dog wrote:Randomly copying and pasting whole articles with no commentary should not be allowed in the on-topic fora here.

It detracts from debate.

It provides information that to consider that, given the clear biases of the MSM(D), you’re unlikely to see elsewhere.
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Doug64 wrote:It provides information that to consider that, given the clear biases of the MSM(D), you’re unlikely to see elsewhere.


Since you are using a questionable source, there is no reliable information in these copy and paste spams. All of it needs to be verified through other sources.

It would be faster and simpler if you just told us to Google the subject of the article, and would actually require original writing on your part.

And it would require no more mental effort from you: i.e. almost none.
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Sivad wrote:The US wasn't created by genocide, the genocide was incidental.

The genocide of the Amerindians might have been accidental, but it most certainly wasn't incidental.

The mass extermination and thorough going ethnic cleansing of the Amerindians was an absolute and non negotiable pre condition of the United States existing in anything like its current form and essence. Anyone who says I wish that genocide hadn't happened is effectively saying, I wish the United States had never come into existence.

The population density of North America was much lower than Europe when the early explorers mapped out the coasts of the Americas in the late fifteenth and early sixteenth centuries. But then the Amerindians were hit by wave after wave after wave of pandemics. Many of these died without ever seeing a European. Yes North America's success was built on superior Northern European Anglo - German - Dutch Swedish - French culture, but it also required the enormous land other primary resource abundance to create these egalitarian plebeian -yeoman nations.
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Well Doug. Thanks for showing us that neither you not Fox understands the science.
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Rich wrote:
The mass extermination and thorough going ethnic cleansing of the Amerindians was an absolute and non negotiable pre condition of the United States existing in anything like its current form and essence.


I'm pretty sure those people could have worked it out without it coming to violence. And the violence wasn't just one-sided, the Natives were every bit as brutal as the settlers. More than a few settlers were massacred, abducted, gang raped, enslaved, etc. The Howard Zinn history lessons don't mention any of that shit. They also don't mention all the predation and subjugation that took place in the Americas before the Europeans even knew the place existed. How do you think those Cahokia mounds got built? Volunteers? :lol:
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Here's the latest weekly update:

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For Red State/Blue State:

US ave. deaths per million (increase, change in rate)
  • Red States 533.6 (23.6, -1.3)
  • Purple States 398.2 (17.8, +5.3)
  • Blue States 748.4 (10.9, +1.8 )

If they were included on my weekly chart above, Blue States would rank 11th out of 90 (+0), Red States 26th (+1), and Purple States 34th (+1).

And for the Resistance in the UK:

Van Morrison slams 'fascist bullies' in new protest songs against coronavirus lockdowns

    Singer Van Morrison slams the U.K. government as “fascist bullies” in a new song protesting the coronavirus lockdowns.

    The “Brown Eyed Girl” singer plans to release three new protest songs this month called, “Born To Be Free,” “As I Walked Out,” and “No More Lockdown” in a protest against government overreach during the pandemic.

    In the song “No More Lockdown,” which was previewed by The Guardian, Mr. Morrison sings, “No more lockdown, no more government overreach, no more fascist bullies, no disturbing our peace. No more taking of our freedom, and our God-given rights, pretending it’s for our safety, when it’s really to enslave.”

    Mr. Morrison will debut the new tracks this month at his upcoming shows in the London Palladium.

    “I’m not telling people what to do or think, the government is doing a great job of that already,” the singer said in a press release. “It’s about freedom of choice, I believe people should have the right to think for themselves.”

    Mr. Morrison has been an outspoken opponent of the widespread lockdowns, issuing a call last month for fellow musicians to “fight the pseudo-science” and band together in support of reopening live music venues.

    Mr. Morrison said he fears that with no reopening date in sight, many venues will shut down for good.

    “I call on my fellow singers, musicians, writers, producers, promoters and others in the industry to fight with me on this,” he wrote on his website in August. “Come forward, stand up, fight the pseudo-science and speak up.”

    Mr. Morrison said he agreed to play “socially distanced gigs” in London but that his participation was not an endorsement of current health orders.

    “This is not a sign of compliance or acceptance of the current state of affairs, this is to get my band up and running and out of the doldrums,” he wrote at the time. “This is also not the answer going forward. We need to be playing to full capacity audiences going forward.”
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Pants-of-dog wrote:Justifications for ongoing genocide are irrelevant to a discussion about how badly the USA is failing to deal with the Coronavirus.

This kind of censorship of related material has been a big part of Covid fear-porn. The very first "experts" told us which sources not to investigate, and then Facebook and other private corporations decided to "censor" for "collective good."

Meanwhile, corporations don't exist for collective good, only for private profit. Duh?

Another related Virus-and-Vaccine story

The 1885 Montreal Smallpox Epidemic

I have read several articles in English about this story where 3000 people in Montreal die of Smallpox in 1885, and the city gains a reputation of being plague city. But these articles never mention two details that are critically important to putting the event in perspective.

1. This epidemic happened just as English-Montrealers were sinking below 50% of the city population, as masses of French-speaking farmers arrived in the city. (Montreal had an anglophone majority for about 30 years in the late 1800s)

2. 95% of the dead were French Canadians.

https://ici.radio-canada.ca/premiere/ba ... e-archives

Why would anglo propaganda skip these important details? I guess it's to make sure no one gets any ideas about how our elites may resort to poisoning their own slaves every once in a while in order to maintain their docility.

Did the British also starve the Irish on purpose? Of course not.

Did they use epidemics in their colonies? Of course not.

Does Santa Claus exist? Of course.
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And the Resistance continues. Apparently, California Leftists believe being able to get your hair and nails done—or even a massage—is more important than being able to pray in church:

Catholic archbishop rips San Francisco's 'one person' prayer rules: 'They openly discriminate'

    Archbishop of San Francisco Salvatore J. Cordileone says he’s had it with local politicians who “openly discriminate” against Catholics with contradictory coronavirus rules.

    The city’s religious community has been forced to limit outdoor services to 50 people for months, and a single person is permitted to pray at a time inside the Cathedral of St. Mary of the Assumption.

    “It has become clear to me that they just don’t care about you,” he said Sunday, Catholic News Agency reported. “We have been patiently putting up with unjust treatment long enough, and now it is time to come together to witness to our faith and to the primacy of God, and tell City Hall: No More!”

    The archbishop’s anger comes against a political backdrop in which San Francisco is allowing businesses to open to various capacities.

    “One person at a time in this great Cathedral to pray? What an insult,” the religious leader continued. “This is a mockery. They are mocking you, and even worse, they are mocking God. … This willful discrimination is affecting us all. Yes, discrimination, because there is no other word for it. … We ask: why can people shop at Nordstrom’s at 25% capacity but only one of you at a time is allowed to pray inside of this great Cathedral, your Cathedral? Is this equality? No, there is no reason for this new rule except a desire to put Catholics — to put you — at the back of the line.”

    Further underscoring the point is the fact that the Roman Catholic Archdiocese of San Francisco submitted a safety plan in May for reopening churches and still has not heard back from city officials.

    “Our blessed Lord is openly mocked to the gleeful grins of the cultural elites,” the archbishop continued. “The sacred symbol of the religious habit is blasphemed with glowing approval of those who profess mutual respect and tolerance for others who are different, while they openly discriminate against us.”

    CNA noted that some of the businesses allowed more one-on-one contact than the archdiocese include “hair salons, nail salons and massage parlors.”
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Saw a BBC article today quoting some Virology expert at Oxford. He was basically saying that it's time for governments (and people) to accept the fact that we cannot suppress or contain this virus. He was basically saying that we shouldn't be shutdown schools if a few kids get sick (as an example). In short, he was saying LET HER RIP!.... with precautions.
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@Rancid, I think a major blunder that scientists have made in the past few decades is to make prescriptive statements. If they had limited themselves to providing data and—with all necessary caveats about reliability—predictions while leaving the calls for action based on those data and predictions to the politicians and private advocacy groups, a lot of people might trust them more. Like judges, scientists should stay out of politics ... and for the same reason.

For instance, this virology expert—if he’s just publicly stating data that he might think is being ignored or misinterpreted, that’s one thing. If he’s going further and saying that therefore all the schools should be opened, that’s another. Though of course if he actually has kids and is saying he wants them in school, I can understand cutting him some slack.
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Doug64 wrote:@Rancid, I think a major blunder that scientists have made in the past few decades is to make prescriptive statements. If they had limited themselves to providing data and—with all necessary caveats about reliability—predictions while leaving the calls for action based on those data and predictions to the politicians and private advocacy groups, a lot of people might trust them more. Like judges, scientists should stay out of politics ... and for the same reason.


Can you name a single scientist who has actually set or made policy?

If not, then you are incorrect to claim that they did.
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Doug64 wrote:@Rancid, I think a major blunder that scientists have made in the past few decades is to make prescriptive statements. If they had limited themselves to providing data and—with all necessary caveats about reliability—predictions while leaving the calls for action based on those data and predictions to the politicians and private advocacy groups, a lot of people might trust them more. Like judges, scientists should stay out of politics ... and for the same reason.

For instance, this virology expert—if he’s just publicly stating data that he might think is being ignored or misinterpreted, that’s one thing. If he’s going further and saying that therefore all the schools should be opened, that’s another. Though of course if he actually has kids and is saying he wants them in school, I can understand cutting him some slack.


I can't find the article anymore. Don't feel like spending more effort to find it again. I saw it on my phone. It wasn't clear to me exactly what his personal position was.

Anyway, I generally agree with what you've said (that scientist should do their best to remain objective).
#15122098
Saw a BBC article today quoting some Virology expert at Oxford. He was basically saying that it's time for governments (and people) to accept the fact that we cannot suppress or contain this virus. He was basically saying that we shouldn't be shutdown schools if a few kids get sick (as an example). In short, he was saying LET HER RIP!.... with precautions.


He is a fucking idiot looking for publicity. Tell you what though Rancid. Send you kids to school every day and have Grandma and Grandpa pick them up.

This is settled science. We know we can beat this disease back. We have done it and we can keep doing it.

But. Note that Trump and the republicans are not objecting to shutdowns. They are going so far as to discourage mask use. They may bot be saying it but they are modeling it. In my own town there is no enforced mask rule because.....republicans. Fucking children who think their rights are more important than 200,000 deaths.

I predicted we would approach 300,000 by the election. All but a few thousand of these were avoidable. It is Trump's fault. Pure and simple. And we old folks know it. He needed our vote last time and he knows he won't get as many this time. So what is he doing? Moving to protect us? Nope. He is trying to suppress our votes in court by stopping seniors from voting from retirement communities.

Get your collective heads out of your asses. Wear a mask all the fucking time outside of your house. Wash your hands like lady McBeth. And if you send your kids to school treat them like they are infected from about the third day.
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Rancid wrote:WSJ headline say's the middle class is taking a financial hit as well.

The RICH GET RICHER BABY!

Yes, and with finite resources and the world at the edge of collapse, it was only a matter of time before the Financial Royalists came up with a scheme to impoverish everone in order to get all the wealth that's left.
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"Marketing disinformation as an academic, governmental or media authority, in order to compel despair, panic or compliance inside a population under duress of epidemic, war or economic collapse - these things are indistinguishable from war crimes. They are a violation of basic human rights, and as such constitute acts of class harm, scienter, racketeering and oppression."

https://theethicalskeptic.com
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