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#15118249
jimjam wrote:I was truly amazed at the effort by trump propagandists to remove "old people" who have died from the Death By Covid list because ……. they were old (and most likely had toenail fungus anyway ). A pathetic and disgusting commentary on American culture.

Respect your elders? Only if they have 4 or 5 thousand per month for a "nursing home" and then ….. not so much.


The Democrats have a lot of valid issues with Trump:

Con man
Racist
Bullshitter
Liar
Narcissist
Womanizer
Misogynist
Plays a lot of golf
Insults people (of all colors)
No class


Let's face it, the guy is a museum of personality flaws.

Will that be enough for a victory? I suspect more scandals will be revealed on a weekly basis before the election.
I also suspect that if Trump wins in November we will have high scale rioting for four years or perhaps civil war. This should be a talking point for the Dems.
#15118251
Drlee wrote:And what is a trait that ALL racists share? They are all on the far left side of the IQ bell curve.

Really? You think James Watson--co-discoverer of DNA--was an idiot? Woodrow Wilson? Or is this another one of your, "it was okay to be a racist when I was young, and my parents decided to stop being racist and so did I. When they decided to stop being racist, all people who were still racist became dumb" arguments?

jimjam wrote:I was truly amazed at the effort by trump propagandists to remove "old people" who have died from the Death By Covid list because ……. they were old (and most likely had toenail fungus anyway ).

The government is just clarifying that the overwhelming number of deaths are people with pre-existing conditions. My mother had it, and she's 84. No preexisting conditions. At her age, it frequently kills people. Yet, she made it through. If she had heart problems, edema, asthma, etc. she probably would have died. She probably will anyway, as they discovered what they think is ovarian cancer during imaging. I frankly don't understand why you are amazed, since you routinely pour derision on people with the number one comorbidity--obesity. If we could put words in your mouth, it might be something like "Of those 100k+ people who died, most of them wouldn't have died if they weren't such fat bastards--jimjam".

Stormsmith wrote:Well, their deaths would save President Trump $$$.

How?

Julian658 wrote:I also suspect that if Trump wins in November we will have high scale rioting for four years or perhaps civil war. This should be a talking point for the Dems.

Who will be doing the rioting? Certainly not the Republicans. So you think the Democrat party's message should be, "If you don't elect Democrats, we'll riot for the next four years."? That doesn't sound like a winning formula to me. On the contrary, it's actually hurting Biden's poll numbers.

These types of stories illustrate why the Democrats are in trouble.
BLM Mob Burned Down Black Owned Business In Rochester, New York Riots

It's ridiculous to claim that Trump is causing coronavirus with his rallies, but "peaceful protests" that involve burning down black people's businesses is somehow not going to be an infection vector.
#15118258
blackjack21 wrote:The government is just clarifying that the overwhelming number of deaths are people with pre-existing conditions. My mother had it, and she's 84. No preexisting conditions. At her age, it frequently kills people. Yet, she made it through. If she had heart problems, edema, asthma, etc. she probably would have died. She probably will anyway, as they discovered what they think is ovarian cancer during imaging. I frankly don't understand why you are amazed, since you routinely pour derision on people with the number one comorbidity--obesity. If we could put words in your mouth, it might be something like "Of those 100k+ people who died, most of them wouldn't have died if they weren't such fat bastards--jimjam".


as usual ….. beside the point. trump's propaganda machine is putting out the message that 10,000 people died of covid; not near 200,000. the "government" isn't "clarifying" shit. trump's propaganda machine is jamming the numbers to make Donald look less incompetent just prior to an election.

you seem to take exception with my dislike of America's obesity epidemic ….. I wonder why. Today an astonishing 40% of Americans are obese. Super markets are congested with folks on wheeled carriers because they are so fat they cannot even walk. You are ok with that? :eek: I jog 2 miles daily and rest up on a bench overlooking the bay when I am done and AMAZED at the size of the asses on people waddling by. You are ok with that? I guess it doesn't surprise me that Republicans are fine with blubber ….. after all, it's good for profits.
#15118264
Julian658 wrote:The Democrats have a lot of valid issues with Trump:

Con man
Racist
Bullshitter
Liar
Narcissist
Womanizer
Misogynist
Plays a lot of golf
Insults people (of all colors)
No class


Let's face it, the guy is a museum of personality flaws.

Will that be enough for a victory? I suspect more scandals will be revealed on a weekly basis before the election.
I also suspect that if Trump wins in November we will have high scale rioting for four years or perhaps civil war. This should be a talking point for the Dems.

However, none of that is really valid issues for Republicans. It is just a bunch of misleading talking points from the crazy left-wing Dems.

blackjack21 wrote: Who will be doing the rioting? Certainly not the Republicans. So you think the Democrat party's message should be, "If you don't elect Democrats, we'll riot for the next four years."?

Yeah, it sounds more like a threat. Some of us don't like to be threatened, especially by left-wing crazy Democrats.
#15118283
Donald Trump along with Nixon, Reagan and GW Bush is a great American President. He had the courage to criticise Islam in a way that no other major American politician was prepared to do.

Trump was better than average for America on health care, in that he got the personal health care mandate abolished, although the business mandate still remains, I believe. However I have never defended the US health care system as a whole. The American health care system is exceptionally incentivised to maximise the figures for Covid cases, hospitalisations and deaths. Systems in Vietnam and China for example are exceptionally incentivised to minimise the figures for Covid cases, hospitalisations and deaths.

This was a biological warfare attack by Xi's National Socialist, nominally Communist Chinese government. Intended to stop the protests in Wuhan, Hong Kong and other parts of China, stop President Trump from being re-elected and generally damage and undermine mine free speech and democracy across the world. President Xi knew he could rely on millions of Trump hating Americans and even Trump hating non Americans to collaborate in using the Xi virus to bring down Trump.

But even on these totally biased exaggerated figures, even with its over crowed Liberal run, shit hole sanctuary cites, the US, along with herd-immunity Sweden now have lower death rates than San Marino, Peru, Belgium, Andorra, Spain, the UK, Chile, Bolivia, Ecuador, Brazil and Italy.

The US's success in dealing with the Xi virus is certainly far from impressive. The US's health care system is far from impressive, but Obama is more to blame for that than Trump because of his total sell out to the corporate health and insurance industrial complex. That is one reason why I was supporting both Yang and Bernie over Trump in 2020. Of course Cultural Marxists have to live in a pathetic fantasy world where I believe in Flat Earth, worship The US's Constitution,oppose abortion, UBI, and free universal health care, and am a die hard Trump supporter.
#15120904
Donald has turned a national health issue into a political issue where wearing a mask is strictly for liberals. socialists and communists while not wearing a mask is a sign of fealty, masochism and unquestioned loyalty to the spiritual leader of the Cult Of Trump. One more of many examples of how trump's absolute corruption leads, literally, to dead bodies.

Wearing a mask is a simple matter of public health and safety. For those who refuse because mandated mask wearing is a violation of their Constitutional rights, try driving on the left side of the road. That too is a mandate for public safety.
#15120948
Rich wrote:The US's success in dealing with the Xi virus is certainly far from impressive.


Trump botched it pretty bad. He should have kicked the babbitts out and brought in reasonable honest advisors. He should have went with a mitigation strategy of quarantining the vulnerable while letting the rest of us go about our lives.

He botched the public health response bad but he epically botched the economic and political response. He should have doubled social security payments to seniors to help them adequately quarantine. If he loses this election it'll be because he lost the over 65 vote. He should have also introduced a major infrastructure bill along with a jobs guarantee. Trump's retarded ass royally fucked up on the politics and the economics and it cost him dearly.
#15121152
The Trumpists are waiting for a vaccine as a miracle cure because they are too lazy to actually do their job and govern. The way it looks now is that whatever vaccine we get, it won't give 100% protection. In other words, you can still get infected even with a vaccine of which you don't know which side-effects it'll give you. Some think that protection may be as low as 70%.

We already have a cure that's much more effect than that. A good respiratory mask like a
KF94 will give you 93% protection even against aerosols. We have known how to make masks for centuries. But today's people are so degenerate that they discard the obvious for the freedom of killing their neighbors to grope in the dark for a miracle cure that may never materialize.

Before this thing is over, the anti-maskers will be guilty of killing millions of people. They should all be condemned to digging the graves for Covid victims even without masks.

Indonesians caught without a mask forced to dig graves for Covid-19 victims

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#15121157
So, there was a simple plan to prevent hundreds of thousands of Americans getting killed. The postal services could have managed that without a problem. But Trump prevented it to kill as many as possible of his countrymen. Why is this creature not facing a firing squat already?

White House nixed plan to distribute 650 million face masks through USPS

The US Postal Service had planned to distribute 650 million face coverings for the Trump administration in April to curb coronavirus, according to newly obtained internal documents reviewed by CNN.

But the White House scrapped those plans to avoid sparking "concern or panic" among Americans, senior administration officials told The Washington Post.

The documents obtained by the transparency group American Oversight show the Postal Service was doing this in partnership with the White House Coronavirus Task Force, the Department of Health and Human Services, and "a consortium of textile manufacturers."
USPS was planning to ship the masks in April and to prioritize areas "which HHS has identified as experiencing high transmission rates of Covid-19," according to a draft USPS release.

A separate draft media response statement said the packages would include "five reusable face cloths, which can be used up to 15 times each."

The scrapped plan provides a fresh look at how the White House was responding to the pandemic in its early days. When reached by CNN, the White House declined to comment.
#15121159
Trump managed to reduce testing by sidelining the CDC once again. Without testing, asymptomatic carriers of the virus will spread the virus even more, which will result in another exponential growth in a month or two. Let's hope it comes before the election.

Controversial testing guidance didn't go through CDC scientific review, sources say

A controversial update to the CDC's testing guidance last month was not written by CDC scientists and was posted online before it had undergone the normal scientific review process, two sources confirmed to CNN.

Details about the testing guideline changes were first reported Thursday by The New York Times.

The document, which included guidance about testing people without Covid-19 symptoms, was sent to the CDC by the US Department of Health and Human Services, the two sources told CNN. It was supposed to go through a vetting process that includes a director of science, fact-checking, cross-checking, and several back-and-forths for scientific review -- a process that can take several days.

As the document was going through the process, one of the sources told CNN they woke up one morning and saw that the unaltered document had been posted on the CDC's website in its original form and including some errors.

The new guidance said some people without symptoms may not need to be tested, even if they've been in close contact with someone known to have the virus.

Previously, the CDC had said viral testing was appropriate for people with recent or suspected exposure, even if they were asymptomatic.

A senior federal health official close to the process had previously told CNN that the sudden change in Covid-19 testing guidance was the result of pressure from the Trump administration, saying, "It's coming from the top down."

In a statement Thursday night, CDC Director Dr. Robert Redfield told CNN, "The guidelines, coordinated in conjunction with the White House Coronavirus Task Force, received appropriate attention, consultation and input from task force experts."

The guidance is expected to see more changes. Redfield testified on Wednesday that the CDC will "clarify" changes made to its guidance about testing people who do not have symptoms.
#15121160
You are absolutely right Atlantis.

The post office was going to deliver 5 masks to every American but the Trump administration stopped it. Why? Two reasons.

First is that it runs contrary to Trump's anit-mask rhetoric and the fact that he wants us to believe that the disease is over.

Second is that his followers are not smart enough to understand that his excuse "we don't want to scare people", means that there is really something to fear.

When I see a person out without a mask I give them shit. Some of the homeless people have come right out and said they do not "believe in" the disease because of what Trump has said. They are not alone in this. I have a simple deal for them. Put on a mask or get your food somewhere else. Not negotiable.

This is for their protection and whether they like it or not is of absolutely no concern to me at all. We have had a volunteer test positive and that alone is a good reason to enforce the rules.

I tried to sign up for testing this morning and suspiciously the site was "down". Fucking murderous bastards.
#15121171
Drlee wrote:Second is that his followers are not smart enough to understand that his excuse "we don't want to scare people", means that there is really something to fear.


This is just an excuse for doing nothing, which he made up after the fact. It's along the same line as "I didn't want to panic people" which he used to explain why he "down-played" the danger of the virus even though he knew how dangerous it was. He is just making up silly excuses as he goes along. I don't know why anyone would take them at face value.
#15121846
Rich wrote:Donald Trump...had the courage to criticise Islam in a way that no other major American politician was prepared to do.

When they're not fighting viruses with lockdowns and masks, our leaders are supposed to criticize the religions of other nations.

These things are in the Constitution, right after the chapter on lawn mowing.

Stormsmith wrote:losers

Trump's recent "suckers and losers" meme was directed at the soldiers of World War I, and not the seniors who were abandoned in their hursing homes by fear-ridden staff and left to die.

He was criticized for calling soldiers a bad thing, but really, what grand cause were the soldiers of WWI fighting really, once all the propaganda is swept away?

Did they all die for no reason other than the vanity and hubris of the leaders of their time? If so, then "suckers and losers" is a perfect description.

Being suckered into dying (or other stupid behavior) is NOT beautiful. Jesus did not die on the cross so that future generations would find innocent people's deaths "beautiful" in some way.
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