JohnRawls wrote:Here are some points for you regarding this Igor:
1) Covid as an example. There has been almost no new data since they shut down their posts in march this year. Literally all other places in the world are still having Ups and Downs etc while only China, a country with the largest population in the world and not being so developed on the per capita basis for some reason says it is all okay. Also add here that they have acted like clowns when it all started.
2) The economic data do not contract in China and there have been studies on this. Basically the end idea of those studies is that even Chinese aknowledged that their own local "governors" rig the data to a certain degree not to get fired or demoted.
3) If you look at the "common" people perspective on youtube lets say from the ones that are available in English. Lets say ADVChina or serpenza or others. They all continue saying the same thing. The economic situation is a lie right now. It has been improving since the 90s sure but from 2008 it only has gotten worse. Larger unemployment, larger prosecutions, no functioning legal systems especially for non-Chinese born, discrimination, Xi era of opressivness etc
4) Historically every country will run in to the problem of the middle income gap as they are developing. The only way it has been solved up to date is by liberalising the economy, opening it up to the external market(inner market) and going the general liberal democratic route regarding political freedoms and so on. There is one exception of Singapoure for this. (They are only on paper democratic). China has not opened its own market and has no real liberal democratic freedoms. So the chance of them improving beyond what they have right now in to a classical high wage/high developed country is very unlikely.
There is much more that I can write on this. But let us see what your response will be.
1. There's plenty of data of the kind relevant to economics. All indicators from external suppliers and importers (no way to hide these third party goods measures) have shown a spike in consumer and manufacturing index back to pre-covid levels. i.e it's business as usual. As for Covid, why are people so quick to forget the decisive shutdown china conducted in Wuhan's province which lasted for more than 3 months? It was more decisive than that of south korea, and thus the virus never really made it out of Wuhan to the rest of China. You're not comparing a population of 1.4 billion potential infected \with that of italy or the US, you're comparing a provincial population of 60 million to that of other countries, and the stats line up nicely, given how strict measures were there in Wuhan itself and the surrounding towns. There was never an outbreak of note in shanghai, beijing, shenzhen, etc as a result.
2. Not quite. Old news. Like I said there is no way to hide external indicators, as millions of individuals and thousands of companies from abroad keep tabs on and engage with the internal Chinese market every week both directly and indirectly through partnerships, shipments and orders.
The official manufacturing purchasing managers’ index (PMI) was 51.1 for July, with a reading above 50.0 signifying growth in factory outputhttps://www.scmp.com/economy/china-econ ... irus-shock
Non-manufacturing PMI was 54.2, with both surveys now reporting positive outlooks for five consecutive months
See also: China Imports Soar, Up Almost 90% Year-Over-Yearhttps://finance.yahoo.com/news/china-im ... 13696.html
No way to distort these figures. External assessment of internal market conditions based on trade engagement.
3. Both being bankrolled by Radio Free Asia, a falon gong organization. Both left the country, both use b-roll footage to serve a new audience as china critics. Their opinion is not relevant to the situation in China. See Barret channel, jayoe nation, etc. They live in the country and produce daily content, as independent youtubers not affiliated with any chinese or western media organizations or ngo's.
4. China is well past the 'middle income trap'. A situation more the result of a strict international economic regime that hobbled resource deprived developing countries, and benefited established rich countries, for decades. China is creating its own global economic system by exporting its industrial capacity, so that no longer exists as a reality for developing countries, itself included.
See: U.S. reacts angrily to losing WTO ruling on China tariffs. https://www.cbc.ca/news/business/wto-ch ... -1.5724881
China is quickly co-opting western institutions for its own gain and changing the world economic order as a result.
Japan’s new prime minister vows to protect economy, maintain relations with US and China
See also: “In the first 7 months of 2020, China became EU's top trading partner, a position previously held by the United States.”
Remember the post ww2 'trans-atlantic' partnership that cemented the US as a key western arbiter of the world order? Yeah me too, but that ended decisively this year.
These quotas exist to guarantee well-paying jobs to party members.
There's a big Swiss bank that hired children and friends of high-ranking CCP functionaries. They turned out to be unprofessional and incompetent but earned high salaries nonetheless. It's the kind of shit companies do to get market access.
800 million lifted out of poverty in 40 years. Focus on things that matter instead of Muh party corruption.