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Beren wrote:There's statistical correlation, however, hence the stereotype.

Sure, stereotypes are based on reality. They describe the tendencies of a group of people. Nevertheless, at the individual level one should never assume that one individual represents the stereotype. That is the essence of race or group bigotry.

In fact the solution to racial discrimination is quite simple. Judge all comers as individuals and not as members of a group. Sadly proponents of individualism are often labeled as racists and proponents of collectivism are labeled as enlightened.

Racism is the lowest, most crudely primitive form of collectivism. Ayn Rand
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Tainari88 wrote:Don't give either them a dime of your pandemic money. :D :lol:

Bless your heart. I don't get pandemic money.

Tainari88 wrote:The Democrats prefer to lose to Trump than fight for voters and refuse to cooperate with socialist agendas.

They prefer to lose to Trump rather than lose to Sanders. That's the establishment for you.

Tainari88 wrote:They are low life dirty liberals.

Capital L Liberals. They aren't classical liberals at all. They do not believe in the Bill of Rights at all.
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blackjack21 wrote:Capital L Liberals. They aren't classical liberals at all. They do not believe in the Bill of Rights at all.


Liberal is just a euphemism for nihilistic technocratic control freak. They're only liberal in the sense that they're not bound by reality or constrained by reason or morality.
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blackjack21 wrote:Bless your heart. I don't get pandemic money.


They prefer to lose to Trump rather than lose to Sanders. That's the establishment for you.


Capital L Liberals. They aren't classical liberals at all. They do not believe in the Bill of Rights at all.


None of it is going to stop the future BJ. None of the lack of cooperation with the answer to all this elitist money influencing all the corruption and lack of representation of the lower classes is going to work BJ. People are sick of the same situations without remedies. The health care issues, the flat wages, the burdensome college tuitions, the unaffordable housing, the lack of job stability, and the lack of quality of life. If that is not fixed in the USA system? The dodging responsibility by the establishment is not going to last forever and a day. It will lose over time. It is going to be a long process Blackjack. But it will be changed.

Meanwhile, I am voting tomorrow. Early electronic absentee ballot. I got all that setup. Vote from Abroad and get ready to change the electoral college. Colorado is active in getting rid of the electoral college. Popular vote only initiatives. That should have been tackled in 2016 and 2000. They did not do it. Republicans are the only ones who hate democracy. Lol. (Both of them do), but history tends to favor the ones who are not into the bullshit about not counting popular votes.

That is all that can be done. In terms of peaceful means of change. If they don't respond (the establishment) the next step is going to be fiery, and bad. but they were looking for it.

:D
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Tainari88 wrote:Vote from Abroad and get ready to change the electoral college. Colorado is active in getting rid of the electoral college. Popular vote only initiatives.

That's probably a non-starter. The left is losing the high court, and the electoral college can only be removed by constitutional amendment. The constitution requires a republican form of government. So ignoring the popular will of the state to the popular will of another state or collection of states is probably going to get struck down in the high court. A constitutional amendment requires two thirds of both houses and 3/4 of the states to ratify. So good luck with that.

Tainari88 wrote:That should have been tackled in 2016 and 2000. They did not do it.

It's next to impossible. Additionally, things may not pan out the way they want. Getting rid of the filibuster on judicial nominations has blown up in the Democrats face. One of the shocking things for the establishment is that Hispanic Americans thought Trump won the debate by 66%. The assumption among Democrats is that minorities will always only vote Democrat. If that changes, all of their plans are rendered pointless.

Tainari88 wrote:Republicans are the only ones who hate democracy. Lol. (Both of them do), but history tends to favor the ones who are not into the bullshit about not counting popular votes.

Democrats have a long history of both voter suppression and stuffing the ballot box. Republicans, not so much. They are more into gerrymandering and giving blacks safe seats in Congress.

Tainari88 wrote:If they don't respond (the establishment) the next step is going to be fiery, and bad. but they were looking for it.

Oh, no doubt. They don't seem to realize that their self-satisfied idea that they are the only ones fit to rule is no longer shared by a majority of the electorate.
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blackjack21 wrote:That's probably a non-starter. The left is losing the high court, and the electoral college can only be removed by constitutional amendment. The constitution requires a republican form of government. So ignoring the popular will of the state to the popular will of another state or collection of states is probably going to get struck down in the high court. A constitutional amendment requires two thirds of both houses and 3/4 of the states to ratify. So good luck with that.


The left wins big in states with large urban areas. The poor have been brainwashed into seeking more government assistance. The left depends on the poor to be viable. If there was no poverty everybody would be a Republican. That is the last thing the Dems want.

It's next to impossible. Additionally, things may not pan out the way they want. Getting rid of the filibuster on judicial nominations has blown up in the Democrats face. One of the shocking things for the establishment is that Hispanic Americans thought Trump won the debate by 66%. The assumption among Democrats is that minorities will always only vote Democrat. If that changes, all of their plans are rendered pointless.


The left wrongly assumes Latins are like black voters that tend to be 90% for the Dems. The Dems want PR to be a state to gain two senators and a ton of new congressmen. This assumption is the typical condescending racism of low expectations of the Dems.
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Julian658 wrote:The left wins big in states with large urban areas. The poor have been brainwashed into seeking more government assistance. The left depends on the poor to be viable. If there was no poverty everybody would be a Republican. That is the last thing the Dems want.

That is why the Democrats in blue states are deliberately crushing working class people--to remind them that they MUST depend on welfare. It will be interesting to see if the working class finally revolts against the Democrats, and this ploy to make people dependent on them.

Julian658 wrote:If there was no poverty everybody would be a Republican. That is the last thing the Dems want.

Well, it's more than that. If there were no poverty, there would be substantially less of a need for a welfare state.

Julian658 wrote:The left wrongly assumes Latins are like black voters that tend to be 90% for the Dems. The Dems want PR to be a state to gain two senators and a ton of new congressmen. This assumption is the typical condescending racism of low expectations of the Dems.

That's also a problem, as the PR voters don't have a majority for statehood. So I'm guessing the Democrats are going to try to wangle votes with some massive welfare bribe. I think PR should be independent.
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blackjack21 wrote:That is why the Democrats in blue states are deliberately crushing working class people--to remind them that they MUST depend on welfare.


This is a stretch. I think what most left-wing politicians shout is that "welfare is necessary because something needs to be available when DIFFERENT people need it in DIFFERENT times". I do agree that a class of leeches exist because we have welfare, but this does not mean advocating welfare is identical to telling people to be lazy leeches so that the advocates can themselves leech off these people's votes.

Those who employ this strategy to win power usually feed the leeches themselves, like the CCP.


blackjack21 wrote:Well, it's more than that. If there were no poverty, there would be substantially less of a need for a welfare state.


Poverty is a relative concept. What is poverty in one place may mean wealthyness in another.
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Julian658 wrote:The left wins big in states with large urban areas. The poor have been brainwashed into seeking more government assistance. The left depends on the poor to be viable. If there was no poverty everybody would be a Republican. That is the last thing the Dems want.


:lol:

You people are truly the dumbest fucks on this planet.
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Patrickov wrote:
Poverty is a relative concept. What is poverty in one place may mean wealthyness in another.


The natural state of MAN is poverty. Not being poor is an exceptional achievement.
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Its certainly worrying the way this group is trying to steal the election.

That group is the Mainstream Liberal media. They make some lying fake news story about Trump stealing the election and then effectively keep demanding that Trump concedes the election now. Even Fivethirtyeight, we always knew they were Cultural Marxists but they used to make at least a show of data driven impartially, where as this time they seem to consider themselves part of the Biden campaign.

You notice how the media never ask Biden these questions. This is a deliberate attempt by MSM in conjunction with the Democratic Party voter fraud machine to steal the election. MSM are as good as admitting that the Democratic Party are going to steal the election and demanding that Trump concede the result of this fraudulent election before the votes have even been cast. MSM are demanding that Trump and Republicans give up their constitutional rights to challenge Democratic voter fraud.
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blackjack21 wrote:That's probably a non-starter. The left is losing the high court, and the electoral college can only be removed by constitutional amendment. The constitution requires a republican form of government. So ignoring the popular will of the state to the popular will of another state or collection of states is probably going to get struck down in the high court. A constitutional amendment requires two thirds of both houses and 3/4 of the states to ratify. So good luck with that.

BJ, listen to what you are saying? All these efforts to thwart popular vote counts? That is not a democratic form of governance. It is dictatorship. It will violate all the false narratives that the USA government has peddled in the world. Image and propaganda is soft power. Lose that you lose a lot.


It's next to impossible. Additionally, things may not pan out the way they want. Getting rid of the filibuster on judicial nominations has blown up in the Democrats face. One of the shocking things for the establishment is that Hispanic Americans thought Trump won the debate by 66%. The assumption among Democrats is that minorities will always only vote Democrat. If that changes, all of their plans are rendered pointless.

Don't think you understand Latin Americans BJ because you don't. This is class war. Not about Latinos being 'authoritarians'. If you understood Spanish anx Latin American histories? The Spanish, French and Italians are strikingly rebellious for many reasons. Conservative rich people are not safe from that history at all.


Democrats have a long history of both voter suppression and stuffing the ballot box. Republicans, not so much. They are more into gerrymandering and giving blacks safe seats in Congress.

Racists are abundant in the Republican party. Trump did not disavow the White Suprdmacists. No one is fooled.


Oh, no doubt. They don't seem to realize that their self-satisfied idea that they are the only ones fit to rule is no longer shared by a majority of the electorate.


In this I agree with you 100%.
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Patrickov wrote:This is a stretch. I think what most left-wing politicians shout is that "welfare is necessary because something needs to be available when DIFFERENT people need it in DIFFERENT times". I do agree that a class of leeches exist because we have welfare, but this does not mean advocating welfare is identical to telling people to be lazy leeches so that the advocates can themselves leech off these people's votes.

Welfare was intended to blunt the negative externalities of the business cycle so that people aren't severely dislocated during recessions. It's not meant to be a way of life. Yet, the Democrats bought off on free trade, outsourcing, and illegal immigration--effectively undermining the very people they used to purport to represent.

Patrickov wrote:Poverty is a relative concept. What is poverty in one place may mean wealthyness in another.

True to a certain degree. People (mammals generally) need to have some drive in sustaining themselves, or they often become anti-social and self-destructive. This is why the modern welfare state and its ardent adherents are a bit dangerous, because they simply do not seem to care at all. They seem to have a significant lack of ethics.

Rugoz wrote:You people are truly the dumbest fucks on this planet.

You don't travel much do you?

Rich wrote:You notice how the media never ask Biden these questions. This is a deliberate attempt by MSM in conjunction with the Democratic Party voter fraud machine to steal the election.

Well, in some respects, it's refreshing to see them reveal who they really are. I really got a kick out of Chris Wallace saying that he didn't share questions with the commission or the candidates--a very concrete statement, that one can imply means he did in fact share the questions with other than the candidates, and that question were probably provided to him.

Tainari88 wrote:BJ, listen to what you are saying? All these efforts to thwart popular vote counts? That is not a democratic form of governance. It is dictatorship. It will violate all the false narratives that the USA government has peddled in the world. Image and propaganda is soft power. Lose that you lose a lot.

The US always had an electoral college. It's not a new thing. In fact, we used to have a non-democratic senate, which I think would be a better thing.

Tainari88 wrote:Don't think you understand Latin Americans BJ because you don't. This is class war. Not about Latinos being 'authoritarians'. If you understood Spanish anx Latin American histories? The Spanish, French and Italians are strikingly rebellious for many reasons. Conservative rich people are not safe from that history at all.

What about rich liberals? Hispanics are entrepreneurial, so they know how much the government taxes small businesses, and what a relief Trump has been.

Tainari88 wrote:Racists are abundant in the Republican party. Trump did not disavow the White Suprdmacists. No one is fooled.

Of course he did. He just refuses to do it the way the media wants, because they want to control him.
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Relampaguito, aka @blackjack21 it doesn't matter that the US has always had an electoral college. I got an email in from the Vote from Abroad organization. There are going to be a very large number of states fighting about popular vote counts. It might take various election cycles BJ. But people are going to move on changing it. I don't think it will take as long as you think and be as impossible a scenario to think they will be successful in removing the electoral college system BJ. I do think that you have a point about that Amy Coney-Barrett's situation may be deciding if they can change it or not. But she won't be eternal BJ. There are a bunch of old men on the court. Many things change over time. Of course, you want a nondemocratic senate, Senor. You are a nationalist in a state filled with demographics you don't like. But you are stuck with the American experiment Relampaguito. Ya la cosa ha cambiado permanentemente. No hay marcha atras. Su pais va estar cambiando. Esto le pasa a todas las cosas en el mundo BJ. Sin excepcion a la regla el cambio es lo unico seguro en el mundo Nuestro Senor del Relampago en el teclado.

BJ, this is where you don't understand Latin American culture at all. What do you think Mexico is? Small micro-businesses that are never taxed. It is called the informal economy. The way Mexicans who own tiny businesses think of the world, their families, the government, their class identifications, and how they cope with their societies has absolutely nothing to do at all with first world realities at all BJ. Or first-world superpowers or anything of that sort. You want me to explain how informal small business types here deal with their realities? How do you think the socialist that says things that would make the corporations shudder in Washington DC wound winning the presidency in Mexico? The vast majority of Mexico is about small business. Why would they vote overwhelmingly for a socialist that is open about it and unapologetic about it if the majority of his nation is a small business? You have no clue about context and why that might happen? It makes me smile. The Mexicans want something from a change that the Americans don't understand yet. They will after they have to cope with the Republican scene for another few years. No one here has a welfare state BJ. They chose socialism. Why? Figure it out.

Whatever BJ. Trump is a racist president. That is the truth. The liberals use that against him. But they are right about him being a racist. It doesn't matter that they are into trying to gloss over Biden's dumb ass racist statements. Trump is a racist of the worst sort. I don't care that the liberal media is trying to control him. I have zero sympathies for racist in the head people BJ. Zero tolerance for that. Along with class-conscious snobs and upper crust assholes who think themselves superior I don't care. I want a decent person who doesn't worship money. Like a Jose Mujica. Or a Michelle Bachelet or many other socialist Latin American presidents who never were born with a silver spoon in their mouths and are educated, intelligent, and fighting spirit working-class people with backbones, intelligence and never succumb to bribes with money and bullshit. I got high standards. I don't go for lying conmen with bad character, bankruptcies, and total bullshit for promises he never keeps. It won't do good for your nationalism or my internationalism. It is basic human values that suck he has. The worst of human defective thinking is Trump. You keep backing that narcissistic liar. It won't change the fact that the electorate is done with bullshit and will be looking for blood if the fallout of this pandemic is not righted by some hard work and commitment to improving the situation.

Sigue en tu fantasia Senor Relampago. :D
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blackjack21 wrote:Welfare was intended to blunt the negative externalities of the business cycle so that people aren't severely dislocated during recessions.
It's not meant to be a way of life.


There's a rather large gap between these two, and my perception is somewhat in between: There are always some people who need that for a short time, while a tiny amount of people actually need that all the time.

I have no problem for politicians reminding us on welfare as long as they do not ask for more than what I say above.

blackjack21 wrote:Yet, the Democrats bought off on free trade, outsourcing, and illegal immigration -- effectively undermining the very people they used to purport to represent.


Resilient parties change their voter base over (admittedly long) period of times. Back in the 19th Century Democrats were (relatively) pro-slavery while the Republicans were the opposite. Today their role are somewhat (although not totally) swapped.

From what I perceive, Democrats simply align themselves with more open-minded and / or disenfranchised people, including those benefited from outsourcing and "illegal" immigration -- or sometimes the illegal immigrants themselves. Or more directly, they simply put themselves as champions of whatever and whoever opposing the Republicans. Not that I am fully supportive of their alignment, but I am not in a position to denounce that as evil either, and I always think a second narrative is necessary.

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