- 14 Oct 2020 00:32
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Many will find it hard to believe or think i'm lying, but I used to be a Marxist for over a decade in my idealistic younger days. I read my share of Marx/Engels, Gramsci, Wallerstein/World Systems Theory, Dependency Theory etc. In response to my friend @ckaihatsu:
The issue here is why should people listen to these Marxist "vanguardians", based on their past failures over the past couple of centuries? Applied Marxist theory has been quite wrong in the past in a great many applications looking at the case studies. Why should any rational person trust that "this time" Marxists have it right? We're talking about millions or billions of lives and livelihoods that could be made much worse.
There's a great amount of risk to become a willing participant in these kinds of trial-and-error real-world social experiments that affect so many. For me, I'm always willing to change my mind if a new system comes along that real-world evidence shows is better. Capitalism is far from perfect. I'm just not willing to risk wanting to turn my successful country into eastern Europe without robust evidence that it works elsewhere and would be better than the status quo. To do otherwise is illogical if not insane.
Here's a question: Let's say a doctor gives you a choice between 2 vaccines you can take to prevent a deadly disease. The 1st vaccine is the standard one which has been been through rigorous scientific human testing trials & has been used by billions over the last 100 years & has been shown to be 70% effective in preventing the disease with some side effects occurring in some people. The 2nd vaccine by a different company is theorized to be 95% effective in preventing the disease with little to no side effects, but zero scientific human trails have been done to test its safety/effectiveness. Also, this 2nd company has produced a few dozens other untested vaccines over the past century that made the exact same claims about effectiveness and side effects, and virtually all of them turned out to be only about 40% effective and gave many people serious side effects including death.
Now, which vaccine should most people logically choose?
Marxists are like these scientists who work at the 2nd company who spend their lives in a lab trying to find a better vaccine and keep claiming they have found "the cure" & want everyone to jab a needle in their arms having never actually tested it. Sorry but theory and good intentions just aren't good enough. I spent my time in the Marxist lab looking for "the cure". I didn't find it, & I highly doubt it will ever be found. My advice to Marxists is to stop wasting so much precious time in your lives chasing magic fairies millions have been chasing for 170 years that nobody has found & likely never will. Go get laid & go get paid.
ckaihatsu wrote:This is why the concept / strategy of *vanguardism* is important, because many people, and even entire countries, may want to just stand to the side while the proactive *revolution* takes place. (My motto is 'Don't be a counterrevolutionary.')
The issue here is why should people listen to these Marxist "vanguardians", based on their past failures over the past couple of centuries? Applied Marxist theory has been quite wrong in the past in a great many applications looking at the case studies. Why should any rational person trust that "this time" Marxists have it right? We're talking about millions or billions of lives and livelihoods that could be made much worse.
There's a great amount of risk to become a willing participant in these kinds of trial-and-error real-world social experiments that affect so many. For me, I'm always willing to change my mind if a new system comes along that real-world evidence shows is better. Capitalism is far from perfect. I'm just not willing to risk wanting to turn my successful country into eastern Europe without robust evidence that it works elsewhere and would be better than the status quo. To do otherwise is illogical if not insane.
Here's a question: Let's say a doctor gives you a choice between 2 vaccines you can take to prevent a deadly disease. The 1st vaccine is the standard one which has been been through rigorous scientific human testing trials & has been used by billions over the last 100 years & has been shown to be 70% effective in preventing the disease with some side effects occurring in some people. The 2nd vaccine by a different company is theorized to be 95% effective in preventing the disease with little to no side effects, but zero scientific human trails have been done to test its safety/effectiveness. Also, this 2nd company has produced a few dozens other untested vaccines over the past century that made the exact same claims about effectiveness and side effects, and virtually all of them turned out to be only about 40% effective and gave many people serious side effects including death.
Now, which vaccine should most people logically choose?
Marxists are like these scientists who work at the 2nd company who spend their lives in a lab trying to find a better vaccine and keep claiming they have found "the cure" & want everyone to jab a needle in their arms having never actually tested it. Sorry but theory and good intentions just aren't good enough. I spent my time in the Marxist lab looking for "the cure". I didn't find it, & I highly doubt it will ever be found. My advice to Marxists is to stop wasting so much precious time in your lives chasing magic fairies millions have been chasing for 170 years that nobody has found & likely never will. Go get laid & go get paid.