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QatzelOk wrote:This is one of the big reasons that USA supported the coup: to destroy the cordial relations between nations that aren't absorbed into the empire.

How petty and ideological to have cut these ties in the first place, Fascist Coup Government.

I don't think the coup qualifies as fascist. I doubt they'd allowed the left to win if that was the case. Being questionable is not the definition of "fascist" unless that term is used to describe anything vaguely bad in politics. If you were talking about Pinochet, then you'd have more of a point.
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skinster wrote:So strange how many posters there were in the first handful of pages of this thread and as soon as Morales gets un-Bounced, everyone disappears. It reminds me of the regime-changer warriors like Rugoz who supported war on Libya and then disappeared as soon as the country turned into a failed state with slave markets. He was in here supporting the coup last year too. These people never learn anything and will never learn anything.


I never disappeared from anything. I'm simply not motivated to wade through your dimwitted propaganda tweet garbage.

Democracy was restored in Bolivia. That's a win. I was right all along. Libya is off topic.
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Random American wrote:I don't think the coup qualifies as fascist.

Fascism describes the phenomenon where a lot of powerful institutions "gang up" to over-rule everyone else. For example, the NED, CIA, MI5, Tesla motors, the OAS, commercial media, redneck religious groups, local vigilantes and international finance.

Likewise, this article by Caitlin Johnstone where SHE - not I - explains how the USA internationalized fascism after WW2.
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Black Consequense wrote:https://twitter.com/Amazing_Tankie/status/1317939609884655619

Hot Vietnamese, BTFOing first worldist "breadtubers".

My only problem here is that she doesn't say anything about anything herself, she just tells some unnamed "other people" to shut up.

This isn't very useful in evaluating the return of the MAS to Bolivia.

Is she saying that only Bolivians and the international corporations that seek to control their resources... should have a say? Is that what you're suggesting BC?
#15129653
QatzelOk wrote:My only problem here is that she doesn't say anything about anything herself, she just tells some unnamed "other people" to shut up.


No this has nothing to do with Bolivia, I was posting this on general on how western leftists like wokescold and criticize third world and other Tankie countries for their "authoritarianism" and conforming to their white liberal ideas.
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JohnRawls wrote:No hard feelings Pot, but I really remembered this post and it kinda shows the mind of people like you and @skinster. You blame the right for being warmongers or anti-democratic but here we are, right wing government doing fair elections, conceding power and protecting the constitution. Oh how wrong the both of you were.

Also @Tainari88, although you do not strictly support skinsters and pots ideology, you also have a view that right wing forces in Latin America are no good and anti-people or anti-democratic. What is your opinion on the right wing actually conceding power while this doesn't happen in other places in Latin America like Venezuela for example.

To All:
So what is next then? Will you cheer for making Morales president again? Do you believe that to be the "correct" way?



Your opinions are foolish John Rawls. The right wing doesn't want to share power with indigenous leadership in Bolivia. You are denying the entire history of that nation. I am not surprised. Your thing is to love anything that is not about some right wing asshole forcing their coups on the black and Indian background Latin Americans. That Jeanine woman is a racist bitch of the worst sort. She doesn't give a flying damn about how many Cholitas and so on are marginalized from power. Evo Morales was the first Bolivian president to speak Aymara and have the backing of the vast majority of Inidan background Bolivians. You are against socialism. Socialism works for people who are into communal ownership of ancestral lands. That is the case in Bolivia. The elite dumbells like Janine bitch are anti democratic fools. The excuse these assholes give for denying Evo a candidacy is that he is not present in the nation. He is not present in the nation to run for the election is due to him being threatened with death by the coup leaders. It is astounding that you listen to the propaganda garbage coming from Elon Musk and his ilk in the USA who need Bolivian minerals and mining resources.

Bolivia used to be part of Peru. Peru and Bolivia were both exploited to this day shamelessly for their enormous resources in gold, silver and precious elements that are essential components of the first world's voracious need for capitalist expansion John Rawls.

The Mexican spin on Evo Morales and what happened with him.







MAS won. The explanation is in the second video. Arce is a great economist and had transformed the poverty present in the Indian Bolivian community. The bullshit about the elite from Janine was exactly that. Bullshit of the old guard who wanted to repress them again. She lost because she used violence and sucked at administration of justice.

Morales had a strong base. The BBC has to realize that the Indians had never had true representation and Janine there was a religious fanatical racist idiot. Her elitist ass needed to be kicked. I am happy.
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Tainari88 wrote:Your opinions are foolish John Rawls. The right wing doesn't want to share power with indigenous leadership in Bolivia. You are denying the entire history of that nation. I am not surprised. Your thing is to love anything that is not about some right wing asshole forcing their coups on the black and Indian background Latin Americans. That Jeanine woman is a racist bitch of the worst sort. She doesn't give a flying damn about how many Cholitas and so on are marginalized from power. Evo Morales was the first Bolivian president to speak Aymara and have the backing of the vast majority of Inidan background Bolivians. You are against socialism. Socialism works for people who are into communal ownership of ancestral lands. That is the case in Bolivia. The elite dumbells like Janine bitch are anti democratic fools. The excuse these assholes give for denying Evo a candidacy is that he is not present in the nation. He is not present in the nation to run for the election is due to him being threatened with death by the coup leaders. It is astounding that you listen to the propaganda garbage coming from Elon Musk and his ilk in the USA who need Bolivian minerals and mining resources.

Bolivia used to be part of Peru. Peru and Bolivia were both exploited to this day shamelessly for their enormous resources in gold, silver and precious elements that are essential components of the first world's voracious need for capitalist expansion John Rawls.

The Mexican spin on Evo Morales and what happened with him.







MAS won. The explanation is in the second video. Arce is a great economist and had transformed the poverty present in the Indian Bolivian community. The bullshit about the elite from Janine was exactly that. Bullshit of the old guard who wanted to repress them again. She lost because she used violence and sucked at administration of justice.

Morales had a strong base. The BBC has to realize that the Indians had never had true representation and Janine there was a religious fanatical racist idiot. Her elitist ass needed to be kicked. I am happy.


You and skinster and pot basically said that the right will be a dictatorship. But now they have conducted a fair democratic election, perhaps you are living in the past too much? What about other left leaning regimes not doing this in South America? Also what about Morales trying to become a dictator of some sort back in 2019?
#15130053
@Tainari88

You just do not understand how much damage the left-wing movement has done in the East, no less by that Socialism quickly degenerating into Stalinism, Maoism and Hoxhaism, and more recently Chinese Imperialism.

I am all in for Member JohnRawls for most of his position (except that he is anti-Trump and I am not). We are against Socialism with reason.

The best thing you and us can do to each other is to agree to disagree.
#15130119
Patrickov wrote:@Tainari88

You just do not understand how much damage the left-wing movement has done in the East, no less by that Socialism quickly degenerating into Stalinism, Maoism and Hoxhaism, and more recently Chinese Imperialism.

I am all in for Member JohnRawls for most of his position (except that he is anti-Trump and I am not). We are against Socialism with reason.

The best thing you and us can do to each other is to agree to disagree.


Latin American socialism is not Chinese state capitalism or Eastern European problems with socialism. Neither is it Swedish socialism or French socialism. Latin America has different conditions. You @Patrickov and @JohnRawls stop trying pretend to know why socialism is so attractive in Latin America. Study it. It is not a culture that is like the history of the PRC, it is not Soviet, and it is not American USA bullshit stuff. It is about poor people who have been dispossessed and exploited by Colonial powers for centuries and they want to be able to live decently. They want clean water, clean land, free k-12 educations, have opportunities at studying in the universities for their children, to not be in constant debt, for women to have the same wages, to have their religion and history and Indian languages respected and not have some European and USA American corporations and capitalists killing torturing and imposing shit on them forever and a day.

If you think they will just imitate some shit from a history they never had before or believe some Anti-Communist shit from Slovenia or Albania or Russia or some BULLSHIT about Latin Americans got to be the world's slaves along with the Africans? They never will accept it John Rawls. Janine was an asshole racist religious fanatic that hates Indian people. SHe said so over and over again. Do you understand Spanish? She said it over and over again. She is dumb too because her face has Indian features and she denies she is Indian. Why? Because she is an asshole who has bought the Europeans being the superior people. You have no idea what the hell is going on in those nations but you want to think it is the same as Hong Kong shit and Slovenian shit. It is not. It never will be.

It is a deeply different history. Study it. Bolivia has the most unstable government in all of South America. Why? Outside interests needing to exploit Bolivian resources. Study and put up a credible argument. No imperial nation has a right to run in there and destabilize a nation because of greed. It is immoral. Accept that and put up another argument. Right wing governments in South America are bad at democracy. Their thing is kill and torture and violence and rich should be in charge only. To hell with that shit. Those slavery days are GONE. They need to accept slavery days are not wanted.
#15130433
skinster wrote:https://twitter.com/OVargas52/status/1320798880200564736?s=20





You are literally cheering for people to be persecuted for their political ideology and trying to make the rightist forces look like they are some kind of a dictatorial clique that supressed the left movement. Reality check, these "dictatorial" forces just conducted a fair election and gave the power to MAS without violence.

And your answer to this whole situation is to support the supression of right wing thought and ideology?
#15130513
skinster wrote:^ This guy. :lol:

I think he's just annoyed that he's been denied the chance to choose a new pastel shade for his 'revolution' in Bolivia. He was hoping to get a new faux revolution to match the curtains in his apartment. Lol.
#15130516
JohnRawls wrote:And your answer to this whole situation is to support the supression of right wing thought and ideology?


That's usually how these things play out no? Left or right (or up or down for that matter). If one side feels its in a position to stomp out the other, they will go for it. It happens at all scales of humanity. Families, friends, within corporations, between corporations, governments, between nations, between politicians, between political parties, etc. etc. etc.

Eat or be eaten, nice guy finishes last, all that shit, etc. etc. Ultimately it just brews up a new group that wants to knock off the current group. and so the world turns.

Reminds me of the video game civilization. If you give an inch, they will always take a mile (I've been using that phrase a lot for some reason).
#15130536
Potemkin wrote:I think he's just annoyed that he's been denied the chance to choose a new pastel shade for his 'revolution' in Bolivia. He was hoping to get a new faux revolution to match the curtains in his apartment. Lol.


I would not rule this out just yet. If Evo Morales is left aside, why couldn't Arce do what Lenin Moreno did in Ecuador?
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