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By XogGyux
#15139551
ingliz wrote:President Trump is due to join his personal lawyer Rudy Giuliani in Gettysburg, Pennsylvania, today at a Republican-led state Senate Majority Policy Committee hearing to discuss alleged election irregularities.


:)

You think he is reading this forum?
Uhm...

What Trump should do is talk to Elon Musk regarding going to Mars. I heard Mars is looking for a planetary lord commander and Trump is the most stable genius to be the emperor of a whole planet.
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By Tainari88
#15139560
XogGyux wrote:You think he is reading this forum?
Uhm...

What Trump should do is talk to Elon Musk regarding going to Mars. I heard Mars is looking for a planetary lord commander and Trump is the most stable genius to be the emperor of a whole planet.


I happen to think his daughter's fashion line is pretty. He can get rich again just twisting some arms in the retail business and forcing them to stock and market Ivanka's stuff. She sells good stuff from PRC and other sweat shops and is a woman who only uses American labor for all her shit. I know she is consistent with America first.

:lol:
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By ingliz
#15139566
XogGyux wrote:Uhm...

43 minutes ago...

"The White House has canceled a planned trip to Pennsylvania today, according to a media pool report.

It was reported yesterday that Trump planned to appear alongside Rudy Giuliani on Wednesday at a Wyndham hotel in Gettysburg to spread lies about the election. But two members of Giuliani’s circle have since announced positive Covid tests. Giuliani appears to be holding the event nevertheless. He has denied reports that he is earning $20,000 a day to do what he’s doing.
"


:lol:
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By SpecialOlympian
#15139567
Just lol if you think Rudy is getting paid.

Or any of Trump's lawyers judging by the fine work they're doing.

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By ingliz
#15139570
SpecialOlympian wrote:fine work

No need for fine lawyers when the judge is rabidly Republican.

It is unclear, however, what steps remained as of Wednesday morning to “perfect” the certification of the presidential and vice-presidential races. The State announced the certification of the presidential election results on Tuesday


:lol:
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By SpecialOlympian
#15139583
Trump called into the hearing and Ellis put him on speakerphone.

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Nothing is happening at the hearing btw it's just a dumb circlejerk, basically a town hall for morons to complain that because they scanned their ballot upside down or whatever their vote was suppressed. The machines scan both sides btw.
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By ingliz
#15139589
SpecialOlympian wrote:a town hall for morons

I listened to a few minutes of the live feed. It's completely mad. They were threatening to prosecute the secretary of state for certifying the certified returns from the counties as required by law.

In other news...

For those keeping count.

Trump/GOP started the day 1-35 in court.
Trump/GOP ended the day 1-37 in court.

Nevada Court rejects Republican congressional candidate's effort to challenge the mail ballot processing machine in Nevada and request a new election.

Federal Judge Emmet Sullivan says he's going to force Louis DeJoy to show up in court and explain what he did to mail-in voting.


:lol:
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By colliric
#15139617
SpecialOlympian wrote:Just lol if you think Rudy is getting paid.


Even I can see he's doing this to revive his noterity amoung Republican Party diehards and revive his political career.

He's probably not being payed by Trump.
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By SpecialOlympian
#15139631
He already had a career in consulting before Trump's admin. He definitely wants to get his name out to further it but Giuliani has always loved being in front of the camera as well.

He claims he's getting $20,000 a day but even if they agreed to that I'd still not bet on him getting paid.
By Doug64
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Yes, it definitely seems that--as in 1876 with Tilden--the Democrats have successfully stolen the election and this time the Republicans aren't in a position to steal it back. But it was a very near-run thing. While according to RCP Biden is leading nationally by 3.9%, for the battleground states Biden's lead is only 0.1%. And over the next four years we can expect Biden to remind everyone why the nation was heartily sick of the Obama/Biden administration and so picked Trump in the first place.

Another indication of how concentrated Democrats are, and how much of a problem that is for them, is the result for the House races. Nationwide, Democrats have led Republicans by +2.4% of the total vote--which has resulted in Republicans picking up ten seats, every seat flipped by a Republican woman or minority. And last I heard, in all three of the races that haven't been called yet the Republicans are leading.

And at least one Leftist sees the monkey trap the Democrats have gotten themselves into. Fortunately for the country, I don't expect many Democrats and Leftists to listen to him and others, like Bill Maher, that can read the writing on the wall:

The Democratic Party is often violent, divisive and hypocritical; if it doesn’t change, Trump will be back
Democrats ask why millions of Americans repudiated their party in favor of repugnant and divisive Donald Trump. Could the answer be an equally divisive Democratic Party? Columnist Jonah Goldberg makes the point that, “alternating between parties that want to unify a vast and diverse country under ‘one best way’ is a recipe for perpetual strife.” The Democratic Party would do well to listen. The far-right wing requires eradication, and progressive reform requires broad support, but the path to that end is not through the left’s shortsighted alienation of moderate and conservative voters.

Democrats must stop:

Claiming the moral imperative.
Historically, one side defining good for its own purposes and assigning evil to the opposition has led to social violence. The inflexible “right makes might” of Dems minimizes opportunity for compromise.

Ignoring the Constitution. When Trump won, leftists rampaged the streets, randomly destroying innocent citizens’ property. Democrats began impeachment immediately. They touted eliminating the Electoral College and packing the Supreme Court and Senate. If leftists resort to violence whenever unhappy with electoral results, and if the Democratic Party alters timeworn American institutions to guarantee its own political supremacy, citizens who respect peace and democracy will resist.

Being divisive, elitist, and hypocritical. The right didn’t elect Donald Trump, the left did. Hillary Clinton called millions of voters “deplorables.” Democrats everywhere cheered her statement. Conservatives were callously called Trumpies. Some were intimidated in the workplace, even fired. Moderates perceive such leftist tactics as threatening, humiliating, and arrogant toward those with differing viewpoints, leaving them resentful of the party and its agenda.

Being partisan in the press. Did CNN dedicate the same coverage to the Obama administration’s treatment of families at the Mexican border that it did to the Trump administration for the same behaviors? The scope of challenges to questionable policies shouldn’t be determined by political party. Many don’t seek the news for political preferences of editors and columnists. We desire nonpartisan analysis of events. Single perspective news outlets limit the perspective of citizens and foster intolerant outlooks.

Lumping conservatives in with supremacist right-wingers. As some Dems have suggested, is anyone who supports Donald Trump a racist? Are Black people who support him traitors? Are women who voted for him insensitive to rape and sexism? If Republican voters can be generically demonized, then so much for the freedom of citizens to decide which party they favor. Can one not detest Donald Trump, but fear the liberal agenda more? Generalizing racist and other discriminatory intent over political preferences only decreases the opportunity for collaboration.

Importing voters. Humane treatment at the border and making refugee homelands less violent must happen. Can America economically or culturally sustain millions of impoverished immigrants? The Democratic Party’s failure to sponsor reasonable immigration reform fuels perceptions that the left wants uncontrolled immigration to offset the loss of voters disillusioned with its agenda. Americans fear how much factions in the Democratic Party might change America.

Democrats must begin:

Policing your own ranks.
Cease throwing diversionary blame at the other side. Accept partial responsibility for the divisiveness in the country. Admit the failures of urban Democratic administrations to meaningfully elevate the impoverished in their cities. Acknowledge corruption in Democratic-led cities.

Practicing democracy. The intolerance of the left to opposing thought smacks tyrannical. Single party dominance and democracy never coexist. Single parties always fracture, except in totalitarian states. Mr. Trump failed to separate himself from incorrigible, violent rightists, frightening and alienating many moderates. Will the Democratic Party separate itself from incorrigible, violent leftist change agents? How many voters turned away from the party because of that element.

Respecting national institutions. Accept that progressive reform can occur without extremism. Disavow violence and destruction whoever commits it. Work within the constitutional process rather than dismantle the electoral, judicial, and senatorial institutions to guarantee the electability of Democrats and the success of party initiatives.

Donald Trump will soon be gone. If the Democrats are smart, he will not return in four years. With their excuse for gridlock-governing erased, the Democratic Party should appeal to the broad base of Americans. Restricting opinions the party will entertain won’t accomplish that. Moderate, invitational dialogue might. Preachings and practices attributed to the Democrats by the right may be apocryphal. Liberal behaviors must serve to dispatch those perceptions in moderates, not reinforce them! Millions did not vote Democratic, despite a severe distaste for Donald Trump, because the Democratic Party’s public behavior has too frequently been violent, divisive, hypocritical and threatening.

Mediate, and bring us back, or don’t and revitalize the right.
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By ingliz
#15139653
Doug64 wrote:the Democrats have successfully stolen the election

Do you feel it in your water? You have not proven it in court. You've had 38 opportunities to put your case and failed in 37. The one inconsequential suit won was procedural, changed not one vote, and was overturned on appeal.


:lol:
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By SpecialOlympian
#15139656
Chuck and Nancy stole it because they are smooth political operators while Trump is a weak old bunker bitch.

I subscribe to this version of reality, even it's wrong, because lol.
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By Tainari88
#15139657
For @Doug64 the racist snowflakes who's feelings get hurt all the time and fail to realize that the Left is not a bunch of pendejos in the Democratic party should listen to this:



People are tired of the same ole pro corporate people who manufacture fake differences when both are a bunch of sellouts.

#15139661
Trump will be remembered for completely mismanaging a pandemic that will kill 400,000 Americans, at least, and refused to wear a mask because he judged his presidency by the Dow Jones Industrial Average. Which is like 30 stocks, it's not even a very representative market index.

But there are still idiots here who want so desperately to be on the wrong side of history and buy into conspiracy theory bullshit about how a man with 5 kids from 3 wives who lives in government housing was actually robbed of his rightful second term, and was also such a weak little bitch who couldn't fight off the most obvious fraud ever committed.

The fact that Rudy Giuliani is his attorney should tell you that the election is over. Nobody hires Giuliani if they want something done.

Pathetic.
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By Tainari88
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SpecialOlympian wrote:Trump will be remembered for completely mismanaging a pandemic that will kill 400,000 Americans, at least, and refused to wear a mask because he judged his presidency by the Dow Jones Industrial Average. Which is like 30 stocks, it's not even a very representative market index.

But there are still idiots here who want so desperately to be on the wrong side of history and buy into conspiracy theory bullshit about how a man with 5 kids from 3 wives who lives in government housing was actually robbed of his rightful second term, and was also such a weak little bitch who couldn't fight off the most obvious fraud ever committed.

The fact that Rudy Giuliani is his attorney should tell you that the election is over. Nobody hires Giuliani if they want something done.

Pathetic.


Trump is a working class hero who fought the good fight and sacrificed for America. That is why every Trump supporter needs to pull a Jim Jones and go and sell their homes and pull out their savings accounts and go and donate to Trump's legal defense fund. So he can hire more Powells and so on and Giuliani types. He needs support. Their conman from Queens with the bad orange spray tan needs to be SAVED from poverty. He can't be left to pay for all his borrowed money....and fraud.

SAVE that hero of capitalist grifting....he needs to be saved. Save him folks. Go broke and make sure your version of America prevails. :D
By Doug64
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ingliz wrote:Do you feel it in your water? You have not proven it in court. You've had 38 opportunities to put your case and failed in 37. The one inconsequential suit won was procedural, changed not one vote, and was overturned on appeal.


:lol:

Show me that Biden received enough votes cast in accordance with the laws laid down by the state legislatures, and I’ll agree that he honestly won the election—in accordance with the legislatures’ laws, mind, not the edicts of judges and state executive officials. That is, after all, what certifying an election is supposed to mean and clearly doesn’t this time.

And for an interesting bit of election news you aren’t likely to have seen anywhere in the MSM(D). Or perhaps you have, I don’t expect most of the MSM(D) to side with the hard Left in the upcoming Democratic civil war, I imagine there are quite a few Democrats secretly praying that Republicans win at least one of the Georgia Senate run-offs:

Rep. Ilhan Omar underperformed Biden in her district more than any Democrat incumbent
Rep. Ilhan Omar is among the far-left members of Congress demanding that presumptive President-elect Joseph R. Biden steer clear of nominating a “deficit hawk” to lead the White House budget office.

Mr. Biden has yet to cower to the demands of the far-left wing of the Democratic Party, and in the case of Ms. Omar there could be a clear explanation: He easily outperformed her in her political backyard on Nov. 3.

“The biggest top-of-ticket underperformance by any House incumbent in the country? Rep. Ilhan Omar (D),” tweeted Dave Wasserman of the nonpartisan Cook Political Report.

Mr. Biden outperformed Ms. Omar, the first Somali American elected to Congress and a top target of President Trump and Republicans, by nearly 73,000 votes in Minnesota’s 5th Congressional District.

The district includes Minneapolis, where George Floyd’s death in police custody became a flash point in the Black Lives Matter movement this summer and fueled liberals’ calls to “defund the police,” which Ms. Omar, but not Mr. Biden, embraced.

“In fact, I’m not aware of anywhere near this severe an underperformance for any other House candidate in the country, let alone an incumbent,” Mr. Wasserman said.

Mr. Biden defeated Mr. Trump in the congressional district by a 80%-18% margin.

Ms. Omar, a liberal superstar, carried the district over her Republican challenger by a 64%-26% margin.

The disparity between the top to bottom of the ticket underscores concerns raised by more moderate House Democrats that their election losses stemmed from their more radical colleagues.

Despite Mr. Biden’s projected White House win, Republicans retook at least eight House seats and left the Democrats with a shrunken majority.
By Pants-of-dog
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Doug64 wrote:Yes, it definitely seems that--as in 1876 with Tilden--the Democrats have successfully stolen the election and this time the Republicans aren't in a position to steal it back.


Again, you have no evidence of theft or wrongdoing.

But it was a very near-run thing. While according to RCP Biden is leading nationally by 3.9%, for the battleground states Biden's lead is only 0.1%.

And over the next four years we can expect Biden to remind everyone why the nation was heartily sick of the Obama/Biden administration and so picked Trump in the first place.


Yes, I can see all the racist people who claimed Obama was from Kenya making similar racist attacks against Ms. Harris.

Especially with the most virulent birther out there beating the racism drum: Trump himself.

Another indication of how concentrated Democrats are, and how much of a problem that is for them, is the result for the House races. Nationwide, Democrats have led Republicans by +2.4% of the total vote--which has resulted in Republicans picking up ten seats, every seat flipped by a Republican woman or minority. And last I heard, in all three of the races that haven't been called yet the Republicans are leading.

And at least one Leftist sees the monkey trap the Democrats have gotten themselves into. Fortunately for the country, I don't expect many Democrats and Leftists to listen to him and others, like Bill Maher, that can read the writing on the wall:

The Democratic Party is often violent, divisive and hypocritical; if it doesn’t change, Trump will be back


I expect that Trump, or some other racist like him, will be back.

He definitely appeals to the post fact Republican crowd.

Doug64 wrote:Show me that Biden received enough votes cast in accordance with the laws laid down by the state legislatures, and I’ll agree that he honestly won the election—in accordance with the legislatures’ laws, mind, not the edicts of judges and state executive officials. That is, after all, what certifying an election is supposed to mean and clearly doesn’t this time.


Again, we looked at Pennsylvania laws. We looked at the judge pointing out that the legislature did not require signature verification. We verified that ourselves.

And for an interesting bit of election news you aren’t likely to have seen anywhere in the MSM(D). Or perhaps you have, I don’t expect most of the MSM(D) to side with the hard Left in the upcoming Democratic civil war, I imagine there are quite a few Democrats secretly praying that Republicans win at least one of the Georgia Senate run-offs:

Rep. Ilhan Omar underperformed Biden in her district more than any Democrat incumbent


You are looking at the wrong woman of colour.

If you want to know what will happen in Georgia, you should focus on Ms. Abrams.
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By Drlee
#15139716
No Doug64. Just no.

Claiming the moral imperative. Historically, one side defining good for its own purposes and assigning evil to the opposition has led to social violence. The inflexible “right makes might” of Dems minimizes opportunity for compromise.


Just the opppsite. They usually have the moral imperative and they should shout it from the rooftops. They should call out republican "might makes right" bullshit for what it is.

Ignoring the Constitution. When Trump won, leftists rampaged the streets, randomly destroying innocent citizens’ property. Democrats began impeachment immediately. They touted eliminating the Electoral College and packing the Supreme Court and Senate. If leftists resort to violence whenever unhappy with electoral results, and if the Democratic Party alters timeworn American institutions to guarantee its own political supremacy, citizens who respect peace and democracy will resist.


Garbage. Right wing talking points. The Democratic party IS the constitutional party. Unless, by "timeworn American Institutions" you mean the racism, homophobia, kleptocracy, sexism, corruption and xenophobia that are the core values of the Republican Party. :roll:


Being divisive, elitist, and hypocritical. The right didn’t elect Donald Trump, the left did. Hillary Clinton called millions of voters “deplorables.” Democrats everywhere cheered her statement. Conservatives were callously called Trumpies. Some were intimidated in the workplace, even fired. Moderates perceive such leftist tactics as threatening, humiliating, and arrogant toward those with differing viewpoints, leaving them resentful of the party and its agenda.
:lol: :lol: :lol:

Not a word of that actually happened.

Being partisan in the press. Did CNN dedicate the same coverage to the Obama administration’s treatment of families at the Mexican border that it did to the Trump administration for the same behaviors? The scope of challenges to questionable policies shouldn’t be determined by political party. Many don’t seek the news for political preferences of editors and columnists. We desire nonpartisan analysis of events. Single perspective news outlets limit the perspective of citizens and foster intolerant outlooks.


:lol: Didn't happen. And, of course, the right wing media such as Brietbart, Fox News, Rush Limbaugh and Ann Coulter are the picture of balanced centrism. This assertion of yours @Doug64 either means that you did not read what you posted or are simply not smart enough to see the lunacy in it.

Lumping conservatives in with supremacist right-wingers. As some Dems have suggested, is anyone who supports Donald Trump a racist?


Ah. No. But everyone who supports Donald Trump is just fine with supporting a racist.

Are Black people who support him traitors?


No. Just stupid.

Are women who voted for him insensitive to rape and sexism?


Obviously.
If Republican voters can be generically demonized, then so much for the freedom of citizens to decide which party they favor.


They can do what they please. And they can wear the labels they earn.

Can one not detest Donald Trump, but fear the liberal agenda more?


No. Two reasons. Biden is not a liberal. The democratic party is not liberal.


Generalizing racist and other discriminatory intent over political preferences only decreases the opportunity for collaboration.


Yea because you know it is good to compromise with racists. What is the compromise position doug? Agree on universal health care and ignore black voter suppression?

Good god. I can't believe you posted this garbage.

Importing voters.


Never has happened. Oh wait. You mean the Cubans that tipped Florida for Trump. I forgot about them.

Humane treatment at the border and making refugee homelands less violent must happen.


It will not that the racist president who referred to these folks as "rapists and murderers" is gone.

Can America economically or culturally sustain millions of impoverished immigrants?


Well it is profiting from the 20 odd million who are here now so I guess, yes. But before the Republicans forgot about how to do it the US knew that in a generation most immigrants are middle class. Or should I say before the republicans declared war on the middle class.

The Democratic Party’s failure to sponsor reasonable immigration reform fuels perceptions that the left wants uncontrolled immigration to offset the loss of voters disillusioned with its agenda. Americans fear how much factions in the Democratic Party might change America.


:lol:

Fuck off. Even you know this is bullshit. You actually want us to believe that Trump and McConnell want "immigration reform". The very people who tried to deport dreamers want immigration reform? :lol:

No need to justify your idiotic post with any more effort. I will just let stand that it appears that you actually believe what you posted. I don't think I will be asking you for help with homework, you might say.
By Doug64
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@ingliz, you might want to add the point you’re trying to make with your links, maybe even some quotes, to explain how the judge- and executive-mandated violations of Pennsylvania state law weren’t actually violations of state law.
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