Pants-of-dog wrote:Can either of you please define how you are using the term? Thanks.
I'm speaking specifically to the New Democrats, Democrat Leadership Council and so forth, and the Third Way folks in the UK that effectively divorced themselves from the concerns of labor following the Reagan/Thatcher era. They have similarly abandoned allegiance to the nation-state for allegiance to a "rules-based world order," which they love to talk about and think exists in actual fact. They are best personified by Bill Clinton and Tony Blair, and their successors. They have their counterparts on the continent as well. Their pseudo-opposition is the neoconservatives, who are basically a cosmetic difference on wedge issues but otherwise support the core ideas of neoliberalism.
Their rhetoric is similarly predictable. For example, if you suggest restoring more steel production to North America, they will say such things as, "That is yesterday's industry. We need to invest in the industries of tomorrow," while ignoring the fact that they have undermined blue collar working class labor, and further ignoring that it is rather easy to restore production and erect tariffs. Yet they prevaricate endlessly, because they want a world where a "World Trade Organization" has ruled that such and such cannot be done, and hope that voters are too stupid to realize that a "World Trade Organization" is just a corporation that can be liquidated at any time and bi-lateral trade relations restored to the control of nation states.
QatzelOk wrote:According to Zeihan, we "must increase our population" for the current system we have to work.
The current welfare state is a tax-and-spend model that depends upon an expanding population so that tax burdens do not lead to a tax revolt and revolution.
QatzelOk wrote:The elites (mafias) have invented many systems (rackets) that required population growth, and so here we are, still listening to *the same people* who forced humanity - like cattle - to use their genitals to create worker slaves.
Populations were already expanding, because of cheap food. What they were doing was creating a social safetey net they couldn't afford. Dramatically increasing taxes during a depression is a really bad idea. So they punted the can down the road. Now there are some real problems. There are twice as many government employees today as there were at the height of the New Deal. Government is bloated. While the US population is increasing, in most of the West it is not.
This means that they will not be able to sustain consumption-based economies.
Blaming the elite for over-population is a double-edged sword. Overpopulation is due to a collapse in infant mortality, vaccinations, anti-biotics, and probably most of all and greatly underrated, clean drinkable water and sewage systems. People are whining ridiculously about coronavirus, but considering you'd have that many deaths from flu, cholera, typhus, small pox, polio, tuberculosis, etc. in the past, that's all gone now. Hell, just from your typical jobs back then, it wouldn't be uncommon to get black lung disease, emphysema, staff and strep infections, tetanus, etc. So much of that is just gone now. Much of it now is self-harm: smoking cigarettes, marijuana, crack and meth; drinking alcohol, consuming stimulants, injecting opiods, etc. Now, you could blame the elite for some of that, but for the purposes of a broader discussion, it's probably more constructive to rob yourself of agency and blame all your problems on other people.
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