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By Verv
#15140432
Godstud wrote: Dumb people spreading lies and conspiracy theories do not deserve anything, but contempt.


We could go back to the question I asked before -- did you have a similar policy during the Russia hoax?

Saeko wrote:
I think it's smart of you to have given up on trying to defend that ridiculous paper. Is English your first language? I'm having a tough time parsing your last post.


I was unaware you were even willing to engage on the topic -- I responded to you and brought forward the data that was outlined in Fin's article (though I do not know if we were using identical material, it ultimately originated in the same place), and you just went off into a corner implying I need some kind of special ed teacher.

Why even post if you are just here to virtue signal and gloat about how right you believe you are..?

Are the other people in this thread like celebrities to you -- do you feel gratification knowing that three other guys may be really yucking it up at the illegal space aliens comment?
By Finfinder
#15140433
Saeko wrote:Yeah, I imagine you're pretty used to being called an idiot.


I bet you do a lot of imagining don’t you. I assume your type needs an Antifa mob behind them to chuck your rocks in person LOL.

Saeko wrote:They're significant enough for you to keep responding to them, though.


I’m just really bored. I guess you have a low bar set for yourself on what significance is.

@Verv

They’re going at it hard because they know there’s something to this. Like you even pointed out, they had everyone pursuing a fake hoaxes for four years on much much less circumstantial evidence. It seems fitting and reasonable to look into what’s going on now. Who knows if things will change but they have no answers other than the same old recycled bigoted personal attacks they’ve been throwing at people for the last four years. It’s like they’re playing on nonstop game of tic-tac-toe you think they would tire of it and figure it out someday.
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By Godstud
#15140436
Verv wrote:We could go back to the question I asked before -- did you have a similar policy during the Russia hoax?
Please remind me how many people were arrested and convicted in that "Hoax". I'll wait...'

You're just another Trump supporter defending his moronic claims that he'd made even before the election, and that his cultists bought into. :knife: :knife: :knife:


I honestly thought you were smarter than that.
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By SpecialOlympian
#15140441
I actually do believe the election was stolen, but I think it owns because it demonstrates how Trump is a weak bitch who lets the all powerful Dems walk all over him. I literally want to live in your insane world where the Democrats are the four horsemen of socialism who just blatantly steal elections in broad daylight to appease their Marxist gods.

Alas, your fever dreams are too cool for reality.
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By Verv
#15140443
Godstud wrote:Please remind me how many people were arrested and convicted in that "Hoax". I'll wait...'

You're just another Trump supporter defending his moronic claims that he'd made even before the election, and that his cultists bought into. :knife: :knife: :knife:


Yes, some peopel were convicted of process violations and unrelated crimes. Just like how I am sure that there will be convictions and fines coming out of this election for wrong doing that is far more minor than large scale election fraud. The only question is whether or not there will be definitive proof of large-scale election fraud.

I honestly thought you were smarter than that.


We are all wonderful people if we put our politics aside, I am sure. But this is PoFo! So, let it all continue.
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By ralfy
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Problems to consider in light of this event:

1. Potential problems with mail-in ballots. Politicians from Carter and Obama criticized this process, protested during their own local elections, and won because significant numbers of fraudulent ballots were found, e.g., no or wrong name, address, DOB, etc., found.

2. The electoral college is flawed because if it doesn't operate as a rubber stamp, then electors may choose to defy the popular vote (which they should be allowed to do so because that's the very reason why they are given the opportunity to vote), and if does (which means electors have to heed the popular vote), then it's nothing more than a rubber stamp (no point in hiring electors; just reward points automatically to a candidate who wins the popular vote in a state) with results that may not reflect the popular vote (e.g., a candidate can win, say, 51 pct of the popular vote in a state but receives all of the electoral points from the same state).

3. There's no consistent standard for registration and voting in each area (e.g., no voter's ID, any ID will do, with or without printed ballots for some local elections).

4. Electronic systems have lots of vulnerabilities (e.g., software not necessarily audited, lots of devices that may be connected to manipulate data, etc.).
#15140447
Verv wrote:We could go back to the question I asked before -- did you have a similar policy during the Russia hoax?

This reminds me of how everybody on the left rightfully shit on FOX News for decades for being partisan backwash garbage and then CNN became the leftwing version because ratings jumped bigtime whenever they shit on Trump on-air.

Irony is awesome.
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By ingliz
#15140448
In other news...

Wisconsin and Arizona have certified their vote.
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By SpecialOlympian
#15140451
Verv wrote:Yes, some peopel were convicted of process violations and unrelated crimes. Just like how I am sure that there will be convictions and fines coming out of this election for wrong doing that is far more minor than large scale election fraud. The only question is whether or not there will be definitive proof of large-scale election fraud.


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By Godstud
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Verv wrote:Yes, some peopel were convicted of process violations and unrelated crimes. Just like how I am sure that there will be convictions and fines coming out of this election for wrong doing that is far more minor than large scale election fraud. The only question is whether or not there will be definitive proof of large-scale election fraud.
Can you please remind how many cases of "fraud" from this election have even made it to court? So far 30 cases brought to court have FAILED to even provide basic evidence of any fraud. There are not people being convicted.

You, like other Trump-worshippers, are hoping and praying that they'll find anything to support your silly beliefs, based on a lie that Trump told you, and you bought into, like suckers.

Even Homeland security, with the man he put in place, said this election was secure.

Here's some actual fraud from the election:

Trump Supporter Charged in Voter Fraud Case
Police in Iowa have charged a 55-year-old woman with election misconduct after she reportedly voted twice for Donald Trump. Police said Saturday they’d learned of the crime from election officials, who reported that Terri Rote had submitted two absentee ballots. Rote was arrested on Thursday and faces Class D felony charges. A true Donald Trump supporter, Rote said in an interview with Iowa Public Radio that she’d committed fraud because she feared her vote would later be switched to Hillary Clinton. “I wasn’t planning on doing it twice, it was spur of the moment. The polls are rigged,” she said, echoing the Republican nominee's mantra. Trump has repeatedly claimed the election is rigged, warning of “large-scale voter fraud” happening all across the nation. A preliminary hearing for Rote is set for Nov. 7. She was released from jail after posting $5,000 bail.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/cheats/20 ... ia=desktop

I suppose to you, and others, this is the equivalent of widespread proof of voter fraud?
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By Saeko
#15140454
Verv wrote:I was unaware you were even willing to engage on the topic -- I responded to you and brought forward the data that was outlined in Fin's article (though I do not know if we were using identical material, it ultimately originated in the same place), and you just went off into a corner implying I need some kind of special ed teacher.


I'm willing to engage on the topic, but not with you because I can't even take you seriously anymore. :lol:

Why even post if you are just here to virtue signal and gloat about how right you believe you are..?

Are the other people in this thread like celebrities to you -- do you feel gratification knowing that three other guys may be really yucking it up at the illegal space aliens comment?


Why do you keep asking so many inane questions? Do you really think this will somehow result in a productive discussion? Or are you just here to howl like an ape with a cactus up its ass?

Finfinder wrote:I bet you do a lot of imagining don’t you. I assume your type needs an Antifa mob behind them to chuck your rocks in person LOL.


Internet_tough_guy.exe

I’m just really bored.


Then get a girlfriend.
By Sivad
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Finfinder wrote:LOL I don’t think you have convinced people you read the article for comprehension.


I don't think @Saeko did read it because @Saeko's criticisms of the paper don't apply to anything in the paper. All of @Saeko's comments are just total non sequiturs that don't address the methodology or any of the points raised, you can't even call them wrong because they don't even rise to the level of basic validity.


In order to meaningfully rebut the paper you'd have to show why the methodology doesn't make sense because according to that methodology those updates are highly anomalous. And if the methodology is sound then you'd have to explain why highly anomalous and extremely convenient ballot updates shouldn't raise eyebrows. @Saeko hasn't done any of that, all Saeko did was type some ignorant nonsense into the pofo combox.
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By ingliz
#15140459
Sivad wrote:if the methodology is sound

The methodology is not sound.

You don't have one universe of voters but two. The Republicans who were asked to vote in person and the Democrats who were asked to vote by mail.

If you look at the in-person votes, Trump overperformed.

Why aren't you looking at that anomaly and whining voter fraud?

If the methodology was sound, the only conclusion one could arrive at using it was that both sides were fiddling and yet you insist that Trump with his 74 Million votes would never do that.


:lol:
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By Sivad
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ingliz wrote:The methodology is not sound.

You don't have one universe of voters but two. The Republicans who were asked to vote in person and the Democrats who were asked to vote by mail.

If you look at the in-person votes, Trump overperformed.



:knife: It has nothing to do with who overperformed in whatever type of voting, it's a comparison of over 8,000 updates from across the country that found 4 highly anomalous outliers. You may be one of pofo's top minds but you're still a far cry from intelligent so maybe you should refrain from chiming in on shit that's obviously beyond your capacities.
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By ingliz
#15140461
Sivad wrote:You may be one of pofo's top minds

You are not so maybe you should refrain from posting shit that's obviously beyond your capacities to critique before dumping it here and making a fool of yourself.


:)
By Sivad
#15140462
ingliz wrote:
If you look at the in-person votes, Trump overperformed.

Why aren't you looking at that anomaly and whining voter fraud?




It's pretty fucking :knife: that you need someone to explain this to you but here you go: the simple and obvious reason is voter fraud is a lot more difficult for in-person voting.
By Sivad
#15140463
ingliz wrote:You are not so maybe you should refrain from posting shit that's obviously beyond your capacities to critique before dumping it here and making a fool of yourself.


:)


The difference is I demonstrated why the shit you're spouting is fucking stupid, all you did was copy my insult(I'm flattered btw). :lol:
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By ingliz
#15140465
Sivad wrote:I demonstrated why the shit you're spouting is fucking stupid

No you did not.

You have no evidence of fraud.

Rudy said, “This is not a fraud case”.

Whether or not a dataset follows Benford's Law proves nothing...

Walter R. Mebane, Jr. Inappropriate Applications of Benford’s Law Regularities to Some Data from the 2020 Presidential Election in the United States; November 10, 2020


:)

Reason for edits: Difficulty formatting URL
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By Drlee
#15140466
@Verv
The only question is whether or not there will be definitive proof of large-scale election fraud.


OK. Emotions are high. So right back at you. Your question is: Will there or will there not be "definitive proof of large-scale election fraud"?

Well let's see. We know the answer to that already. And I am going to say this again....Nobody, but nobody in the republican controlled government, the state republican controlled legislatures, any of the republican controlled counties, or even Trump's bigly funded legal team can find a damn thing. Not a thing. They have carried over 30 "cases" to judges and not even gotten past a probable cause hearing. So Verve, the question has already been answered. IF there was anything there the Justice Department and all of its diversity would have found it. It really is that simple son. To deny that requires a conspiracy so vast its size defies imagination.

Just to use one example...It would not be enough to send in fake ballots. That would be instantly recognizable because the checksum would fail spectacularly. The votes would have to be changed from Trump to Biden without anyone knowing.

As Godstud noted, Police in Bright Red Iowa caught one person sending in two ballots and arrested her. Yet you want us to believe that, other than her, the police and election officials everywhere just did not find the other few hundreds of thousands of cases of fraud? Seriously Verve. I hope that you are having fun trolling but if you have gone that far down the rabbit hole you really need to take a beer retreat to your younger days when, judging from your very thoughtful posts, you would never have believed something this outrageous.

@ralfy
3. There's no consistent standard for registration and voting in each area (e.g., no voter's ID, any ID will do, with or without printed ballots for some local elections).


This is patently not true. All jurisdictions have their rules for registration. My own state has voter ID laws and flipped from bright red to blue this time. But you see, ralfy, the diversity of rules and procedures is one of the reasons that voter fraud is so hard to do and even harder to cover up. A politician wishing to subvert enough counties to overturn an election would have to craft a strategy that changes from jurisdiction to jurisdiction, implement it, hide it, make sure none of the many officials who would have to be subverted keep quiet and.....Sorry. It just does not happen.


4. Electronic systems have lots of vulnerabilities (e.g., software not necessarily audited, lots of devices that may be connected to manipulate data, etc.).


Really? Do you do online banking? Do you manage your investments online? Do you file your taxes online? Even when there is a problem all of these are quick to find it and almost invariably before any real money changes hands. But it is not the lost money that is the issue it is the certainty that these institutions WILL find the problem and quickly.

I will point out to those who advocate paper ballots, that mail-in ballots ARE paper ballots. My own state conducts audits of those ballots and found, wait for it, nothing out of line. I can personally go online, and track the progress of my ballot from its receipt by the election commission to its actually counting. We are told that thousands of people do this. And not a soul noticed that something was out of line?

So far the one question that the Trump supporters have yet to answer is the most simple one: Why, with all of the horsepower (including complete control of the executive branch of the federal government) can't they find what would have to be rampant fraud? I defy any one of the Trump supporters to answer that simple question.
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