Julian658 wrote:To assume blacks are unable to obtain ID to vote and therefore that is voter supression is condescending racism of low expectations.
LOL. It seems to me that you sit in your computer, with that video's link in your copy/paste memory ready to paste it into any conversation that you can possibly have. It is a non-sense video, it does not prove anything what so ever. You can have white people say whatever you want to a camera and you can also have a black people say whatever in a camera, neither one of those prove a point. For instance, you can have a black person (Kayne west) say that slavery was an option... so there you have it, since you got 1 black guy saying in camera that slavery was a choice, and slavery was something that affected mostly black people (at least here in the US)... that is proof that it was a choice isent it?
Do you think that the same people that you likely to encounter and interview in Berkley California or New york city's street are the same that you will encounter in rural Georgia? On Little Haiti in Miami FL? How many people do you reckon gave more nuance answers to this FOX interviewer that they decided not to show (instead prioritizing the rather laughable answer of young students), how many elderly people did they interview? Did they go into people's house to see if there is a grandma/grandpa that have not driven in 10 years and don't have a valid license (or a reason to get one)?
The video is flawed. You keep posting it as a "gotcha" as if you are showing something new... except that you have showed that video in POFO like a billion times already I don't think anyone in here has not seen it yet. Furthermore, time after time I give you a dozen different reasons why it is flawed and you just go ahead and regurgitate it again.
First... voter id laws are a solution for a non-existent problem. Is like proposing that all clothes are made out of transparent material so that enough sunlight reaches the penis... So far... there is no photosynthetic penis that I am aware of, that is not a problem that needs a solution.
So... where is your evidence of voter fraud to this escale? In fact... everytime someone brings a case of "voter fraud" we end up either with some lunatic trump/republican supported that voted twice and got caught, or some confused elderly person that voted twice by mistake. Where is the printing machine of thousands of fake votes?
Show me the proof and then we can talk about possible solutions to this otherwise non-existent problem.
Who gets disenfranchised? Well... I can tell you my paternal grandmother does not have a driver's license. She never did. She never drove in cuba, she came in the early 1990's already as a senior woman and never learned to drive here. She does not even speak english. She became a citizen before I even came to this country (over 50 years exception). She does not have a valid passport anymore either because she has never traveled outside since she came here. So... here you have it, at least 1 case of evidence of hispanic disenfranchisement by this sort of policy.
Not that this would prove the rule anyway.
Now... lets say for the sake of argument that there is plenty of voter fraud and that you could come up with this evidence. Does voter ID would make it any harder? Let's see... how hard it is for a teenager to get a fake ID? Do you think someone that is willing to break the law to vote multiple times, would have a problem getting a fake ID or even multiple fake IDs?
Who is going to pay to train personel in the proper way to check real ids? This does not even seem like a solid solution even if the problem was real... which it isent.
Finally, let's bite. Lets say that sure, lets get voter id. How about instead of doing a bizzillion different possible IDs of different states with different characteristics, etc... you have the goverment issue every single US citizen a universal ID.. free of charge, easy to replace if lost (again, free of charge), with security features and replace that obsolete nonsensical social security number that people use for something that was not intended to be used?... That would be a real solution, but not to the problem that you pretend exist. That would be helpful to prevent identity theft, that would be helpful to prevent benefits fraud... so where is the push for THAT ID? Apparently republicans are more concerned for the non-existing voter fraud but apparently, they don't fking give a crap about other kinds of fraud.
So please, spare us the non-sensical videos. We have seen them, they are shit.