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#15150413
Biden is getting sworn in on the 20th and it will be behind thousands of National Guardsmen, thanks to the currently seated idiot king.

The objective reality is that Trump was an unpopular loser who lost the election. While holding the distinction of being the only president to ever be impeached twice during his one term presidency. Your inability to cope with this changes nothing. Man the fuck up. The saddest thing about this, and something I am not happy about, is that the average Trump supporter most likely agrees with Biden more than I do.

Like I said: nothing will placate these whiny losers.
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By XogGyux
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Doug64 wrote:Tell the truth?

Why is that so shocking?
Like the truth that judges and state officials unconstitutionally altered their states' laws protecting the integrity of the elections, thereby rendering who-knows-how-many hundreds of thousands of votes invalid?

Oh please. If they felt it violated the state constitution they should have brought it to court BEFORE the election. Not after.
This is like playing rock, paper, scissors, and waiting to see what your opponent throws at you and then changing your play. Not even a conservative or trump appointed judge has the balls to basically play that card.
The truth laid out in the thousands of pages of sworn affidavits of voter fraud that have not been and now never will be disproven, because they won't be--and possibly can't be--properly investigated?

There are more than a few thousand pages worth of people claiming the earth is flat... I guess that means it must be true?
Fucking psychofans is what they are. Many of them apparently were in a position to see the evidence and none of them seem to actually get any real evidence... Sure... we live in a world were even my fucking microwave has a camera and a microphone and these people seem to always come up with excuses, and when there is any video what so ever... it seems that it was taken by a 1984 VHS camcorder. Dude there is no evidence, if they were you can bet your kids that the judges would all have been salivating all over the place and ruling in favor of the moron that gave them their jobs. NO EVIDENCE.
Those truths?

Not those. Those are fake news 8) .
The millions of voters that feel this election was stolen...

They can all cry in unison. Maybe we can make a big salty lake somewhere and call it trump lake.

...against all evidence that Trump conspired with the Russians to steal the 2016 election.

No they don't.

I've said it before and it's still true now, Biden is going to go down in history a member of the fortunately very short list of presidents that are recipients of stolen property, even if they didn't steal it themselves, and nothing he does in the however many years as president his health allows is going to erase the asterisk after his name.

LOL.
Normally, Biden would have been a mediocre president, perhaps a jimmy carter :lol: . But after trump, who knows, he could make history. Imagine that. And trump diserves it... every single failure of him... it was him that brought it upon himself.
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By Drlee
#15150432
I was going to answer @Doug64 post but SO and X have done it better than I could have.

I want to just add this to their comments.

There is not an epidemiologist that I know who does not believe that Trump's inaction, and the continued inaction by some republican lawmakers and governors have led to the deaths of some 400,000 people. They believe that with leaders making hard decisions to save lives could have saved a great many and certainly most of these people from illness and death.

But you are a classic example of what is wrong. You follow the guy primarily responsible for the deaths by negligence of 300,000+ Americans all the while whining about Benghazi and the deaths of 4 people.

Trump followers like you Doug are so weak it is pathetic. Real patriots would have run him out of town on a rail when he started lying about Covid and their patriotism would have saved the entire death toll from World War II.

But I am truly sorry so many racists, misogynists and traitors had their feelings hurt. But here is the objective truth. If the republican legislators across the country had spoken out against the absurd Q Anon bullshit, told the truth to their voters, and insisted that the president lead us out of this crisis they would easily hold the Whitehouse and both houses of congress. The objective truth that will be written by history, either in the United States or in the countries observing its fall and dissolution, will be that a great many people were simply deceived and followed a con-man to their demise. A great many people were just not smart enough to know they were being fooled.

As I said before. If it comes, this is a "revolution" led by people who are the most well fed, well paid and least oppressed revolutionaries in history.
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By blackjack21
#15150463
Drlee wrote:There is not an epidemiologist that I know who does not believe that Trump's inaction, and the continued inaction by some republican lawmakers and governors have led to the deaths of some 400,000 people.

Most of the deaths in the United States are in Democrat-controlled jurisdictions. Most of the deaths world wide have nothing to do with Donald Trump. You make epidemiologists sound like idiots.

Drlee wrote:They believe that with leaders making hard decisions to save lives could have saved a great many and certainly most of these people from illness and death.

Some of these "hard decisions" are frankly unconstitutional.

Drlee wrote:You follow the guy primarily responsible for the deaths by negligence of 300,000+ Americans all the while whining about Benghazi and the deaths of 4 people.

Allowing the deaths at Benghazi and then lying about it and sweeping it under the rug exposed Obama as a weak leader. It's virtually the only reason I casted a vote for Mitt Romney. Benghazi basically told Vladimir Putin, "You can take Crimea, and we will do nothing to you."

Drlee wrote:Real patriots would have run him out of town on a rail when he started lying about Covid and their patriotism would have saved the entire death toll from World War II.

That sounds like a coup! An insurrection! Lawlessness! Somebody call the FBI!

Drlee wrote:The objective truth that will be written by history, either in the United States or in the countries observing its fall and dissolution, will be that a great many people were simply deceived and followed a con-man to their demise.

History can write all by itself? Gee? Who knew. You epidemiologists sure are smart. So why did so many people die in Europe? What action or inaction by Republicans caused that?

Drlee wrote:As I said before. If it comes, this is a "revolution" led by people who are the most well fed, well paid and least oppressed revolutionaries in history.

Yea, maybe. However, when Democrat-run governments decide to blanket ignore illegal aliens, set up sanctuary cities to defy federal law, refuse to prosecute petty shoplifting (under $950), let rioters with guns out on bail so they can shoot Trump supporters, fire mortars into federal courthouses and scream that the president is a dictator when he has US Marshals arrest them for federal crimes, allow rioters to ban police from city neighborhoods controlled by rioters, allow rioters to shut down police precincts, allow rioters to burn down police precincts, allow rioters to burn police cars, allow rioters to loot businesses, allow rioters to burn businesses, take a knee in the Capitol Rotunda in support of said rioters, use the government's counter-intelligence apparatus to spy on political campaigns, use the government's counter-intelligence and prosecutorial power to run a phony investigation and prosecution for alleged ties to "Russia", call the president "racist" and "xenophobic" for his early action on coronavirus, telling people that it's a good idea to go down to Chinatown in the middle of a pandemic, impeach the president on phony pretexts to hide Joe Biden's corruption during a pandemic, and stuff ballot boxes in a few key jurisdictions to make it appear that Biden won the presidency when clearly he didn't, eventually people lose faith in the government. One thing you are definitely right about, however, is that the Republican party is fucking useless as tits on a bull.
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By Beren
#15150477
Godstud wrote:The most edumakated and most jenius people in America, today... :lol:
Image

Do you actually believe it's real?
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By Rancid
#15150478
Beren wrote:Do you actually believe it's real?


There are numerous Trumpsters on twitter post "Stop the steel". Even if that photo is face (probably is), I'm sure there are enough dummy Trumpster to not double check what they are writing.

Then again, I'm sure I do shit like that on pofo all the time too. :eek:
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By Beren
#15150482
Rancid wrote:Even if that photo is face (probably is)

It certainly is fake, among other things because the three in the front are clearly separated from the crowd behind them. It's also too much stupidity there. Just take a look at the guy. What's he actually doing? Why is he there at all?
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By Tainari88
#15150489
@blackjack21 wrote:

Yea, maybe. However, when Democrat-run governments decide to blanket ignore illegal aliens, set up sanctuary cities to defy federal law, refuse to prosecute petty shoplifting (under $950), let rioters with guns out on bail so they can shoot Trump supporters, fire mortars into federal courthouses and scream that the president is a dictator when he has US Marshals arrest them for federal crimes, allow rioters to ban police from city neighborhoods controlled by rioters, allow rioters to shut down police precincts, allow rioters to burn down police precincts, allow rioters to burn police cars, allow rioters to loot businesses, allow rioters to burn businesses, take a knee in the Capitol Rotunda in support of said rioters, use the government's counter-intelligence apparatus to spy on political campaigns, use the government's counter-intelligence and prosecutorial power to run a phony investigation and prosecution for alleged ties to "Russia", call the president "racist" and "xenophobic" for his early action on coronavirus, telling people that it's a good idea to go down to Chinatown in the middle of a pandemic, impeach the president on phony pretexts to hide Joe Biden's corruption during a pandemic, and stuff ballot boxes in a few key jurisdictions to make it appear that Biden won the presidency when clearly he didn't, eventually people lose faith in the government. One thing you are definitely right about, however, is that the Republican party is fucking useless as tits on a bull.


I wonder why you insist it is the Democrats only who cause all the issues? The Republicans are sellouts of the worst sort. Yet you focus in like a laser on the Democrats.

For me? Both parties are incompetent, not very responsive sellouts to corporations are don't respond to anyone really but the donor classes with money to burn to co-opt government in their favor. That is what happens when you make capitalist principles like profit only, global wage exploitation and neglecting the needs of the working and middle classes and believing in lies about trickle down economics that never deliver job stability or real opportunities.

Stop making excuses for those Republican supporters. Trump was a conman who's biggest legislative accomplishment was giving huge tax cuts to the billionaire class who did not need it and not even having a plan on how to distribute the COVID vaccine to the masses. This pandemic just threw into relief how critical it is to have socialized medicine for all. If it is not dealt with cooperatively on a worldwide scale? The COVID mutations are not going to be detained or contained. They will continue to kill as many people as possible.

The time for lame excuses of nationalistic petty shit that you peddle constantly on this forum BJ is over.

Now you have a fortress in DC. More security and restriction. Less access the public will have to what the hell happens behind closed doors in DC. You got that Zuckerberg dude from Facebook and others who have the power of silencing even wanne be in power forever conmen like Trump. Do we really want to eliminate all forms of government and only have private corporations dictating policies for the public for the rest of human history? Because in the USA they let the damn pro profit banks, corporations and so on usurp nationalistic interests and dismantle any confidence in the government to run anything. The option of destroying gov't is anarchy and privately held global based capitalists dictating world government power. That world will be inefficient and nasty. Guaranteed. But that is what will happen if enough assholes believe socialism and so on is a passe way of coping with organizing human modern societies.

I don't believe in what you believe in BJ. I don't believe in superiority and hiarchies and nationalism is the solution to everything. It is not BJ.

I find all that incredibly ignorant to tell you the truth. If you don't understand why capitalism seeks other markets outside of the USA and how privately held stocks that don't represent the vast majority of working and middle class people in many nations might lead to a gap in equity and how those privileged people become blind self centered assholes without a clue on how to deal with social and economic crisis? There is not much to say.

The death of the liberal class has to do with not having a real Left that is not for sale at all in the USA. They got wiped out. Jimmy Dore in my video is right. How are they going to build a Left from scratch? It is going to take a very long time. But when it is grown properly? It will prevail. Because the Right are small minded, fear filled, class conscious foolish people who can't even understand why capitalism insists on the multi-racial and liberal pro capitalism paradigm for the world. You don't seem to understand why the liberals grew so powerful. You should. Because you hate the liberals. But you can't seem to understand their ability to cope with their messaging and why they are so popular.

It is astounding to me.

Trump is gone. But the next one will be a lot smarter but with the same nasty set of values. He or she will be a lot better at coups and power grabs. But once they got that going? The USA's hold in the world will be tenous or non existent. And you will be part of the reason your empire declined.

That is the reality.

Another point Relampaguito, that is important--Democratic traditions and even attempts at true democracy is a very fragile thing. Easily destroyed. If you believe in class systems (which you do BJ), you will never preserve democracy. You scapegoat immigrants like if they are vermin or something. It disgusts me. Your racism is BAD. I do mean bad.

You remain an intelligent man with fine qualities. But if you don't have corazon and a sense of equality for all and you don't care about people except the ones who identify with your circumscribed interests? You won't be part of the advancement of human progress and it won't be helping anyone out in these bad circumstances affecting people worldwide.

For me that is wasting your talent and your potential as an educated human being. It is a terrible thing to waste.

But hope burns eternal. The great part of this ever changing world and universe with ever burning creative energy. You might get there someday. If you keep asking questions.
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By Rancid
#15150497
Tainari88 wrote:I wonder why you insist it is the Democrats only who cause all the issues? The Republicans are sellouts of the worst sort. Yet you focus in like a laser on the Democrats.


One of the key elements of maintaining a cult it is to make everything black and white. Hence why blackjack, a cultist, puts 100% of blame for everything on the boogieman democrats. When in realize it's all of these fuck face politicians.
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By noemon
#15150500
Hard core Repuds are laser-focused indeed, Democrats are more aloof and not as laser-focused on their political campaigns.

The antidote to this kind of Repud laser-focus is the woke crowd that is aping Republican methods and hence the extreme hatred as they see themselves among the woke crowd. The outrage, minority, isolating issues, compartmentalising them.

By this, that and the other, Repuds keep getting tax cuts and a bunch of corporate victories by laser-lobbying the right areas, same as the woke crowd. 2 tiny minorities of extremists have turned all politics beholden to them.
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By Julian658
#15150503
Rancid wrote:One of the key elements of maintaining a cult it is to make everything black and white. Hence why blackjack, a cultist, puts 100% of blame for everything on the boogieman democrats. When in realize it's all of these fuck face politicians.

I fully agree. Both sides dupe their followers. But, one side has the media behind them and that is a huge advantage.
I do not expect anything from an elected official. I vote for whomever will do the least damage to my personal life.
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By Igor Antunov
#15150555
I had a great uncle who suffered from the same condition. Biden just did a certifiable dementia shuffle after introducing his science advisory team upon leaving the stage. He's further gone than I thought. Won't last the year. We shouldn't be talking about Biden and his policies - he's done. What are some stances of his Vice President-soon to be first woman president of the country? The privatized prison slave labor force is sure to grow, alongside the incarceration rate. Back to the good old days huh.
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By Godstud
#15150571
@Igor Antunov You're talking BS. Biden is no more a victim of dementia, than Trump is, and Trump has shown far more symptoms, you Trump-cultist.
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By Steve_American
#15150604
@ BJ,
IMHO, you are making a false assumption.
It is that =>
No sick people travel to Blue states from Red states and spread the disease.
How can the Gov. of a Blue state with a very limited budget reduce the death toll when sick people travel into his state and spread the disease.
Also, you are assuming it was fake news when it was reported that in July the memo said that "we want as many people to get sick and recover before the election so that the nation would reach herd immunity by then and covid would be gone." Not really a real quote, but the gist of it. And, all the Trump Gov's actions support the idea that this was its policy. So, maybe Trump told people to travel to Blue states and spread covid around. Because of how cynical I've become about how evil Trump is, I can easily believe this if *any* evidence to support it comes out. And we KNOW that Trump had rallies in the Blue states that spread covid among his supporters, who *would* then spread it to some others they stood near over the next week or 2.
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By blackjack21
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Tainari88 wrote:I wonder why you insist it is the Democrats only who cause all the issues?

Those enumerated issues? They do cause them. I focus on it, because they purport to be holier than thou. Some Republicans do too. For example, you may have heard me criticize Mitch McConnell's speech saying that they do not tolerate lawlessness, when in fact they do. Illegal immigration is a fine example. The riots in 2020 fell short of invoking insurrection laws even when people were firing mortar into US court houses at federal employees.

Tainari88 wrote:The Republicans are sellouts of the worst sort. Yet you focus in like a laser on the Democrats.

The Republicans have always been a commercial-oriented party, but has had some fiscal and social conservative elements. The Democrats used to be the party of the working class, but they haven't been since Bill Clinton's administration.

Tainari88 wrote:That is what happens when you make capitalist principles like profit only, global wage exploitation and neglecting the needs of the working and middle classes and believing in lies about trickle down economics that never deliver job stability or real opportunities.

Capitalism isn't simply about making profits. It's about the efficient allocation of resources. It might do you good to actually read up on micro and macro economics. Economic profit is just a way of noting that more resources need to be allocated to production. The main fallacies are monopolies either on markets or labor.

Tainari88 wrote:Stop making excuses for those Republican supporters. Trump was a conman who's biggest legislative accomplishment was giving huge tax cuts to the billionaire class who did not need it and not even having a plan on how to distribute the COVID vaccine to the masses.

US corporate tax rates were far higher than the rest of the industrialized world. Trump merely normalized those rates. Billionaires might have seen a small cut in their taxes, but not much. Many of whom you'd call rich actually pay a bit more when they live in blue states, because the tax cuts limited SALT deductions. Biden is actually planning on restoring SALT deductions, which is a tax cut for the rich. You won't hear me complaining about it, because it's a tax cut to me. However, I'm at least honest about what they will be doing. It's just that when the Democrats cut taxes for the rich, you never seem to call it out.

Tainari88 wrote:This pandemic just threw into relief how critical it is to have socialized medicine for all.

The entire pandemic was started by a socialist country--socialism with Chinese characteristics. Trump stopped the spread coming in from China, but not from Europe. It spread big time in Italy, where they also have a government-run health system. Pretty much most of Europe has government-run health care and the latest spike in cases started there. So the bizarro fixation on Donald Trump is baseless.

Tainari88 wrote:The COVID mutations are not going to be detained or contained. They will continue to kill as many people as possible.

That's pretty normal with open borders.

Tainari88 wrote:Now you have a fortress in DC. More security and restriction.

Generally, when you are governing without the consent of the governed, that's a natural byproduct.

Tainari88 wrote:You got that Zuckerberg dude from Facebook and others who have the power of silencing even wanne be in power forever conmen like Trump.

Yeah, and he's pretty much your standard neoliberal.

Tainari88 wrote:Do we really want to eliminate all forms of government and only have private corporations dictating policies for the public for the rest of human history?

Have you ever heard me agitate for anarcho-capitalism?

Tainari88 wrote:Because in the USA they let the damn pro profit banks, corporations and so on usurp nationalistic interests and dismantle any confidence in the government to run anything.

Well, I for one think Jack Dorsey fucked up big time. What they were trying to do was prevent a massive Trump rally during the inauguration, because they were totally humiliated on the 6th of January. However, Pelosi's full scale meltdown encouraged the big tech titans to fall in line behind the Democrats, probably because they will have total control of the federal government next week. However, Dorsey's actions didn't go over well with leaders around the world.

Tainari88 wrote:If you don't understand why capitalism seeks other markets outside of the USA and how privately held stocks that don't represent the vast majority of working and middle class people in many nations might lead to a gap in equity and how those privileged people become blind self centered assholes without a clue on how to deal with social and economic crisis?

I understand it perfectly well. I just think we need to get rid of the phony two party system and have parties that represent the interests of people at large.

Tainari88 wrote:Because the Right are small minded, fear filled, class conscious foolish people who can't even understand why capitalism insists on the multi-racial and liberal pro capitalism paradigm for the world.

Well, in the United States, it's the welfare statists that are filled with fear and filling the Capitol with troops, because they are trying to run a government without the consent of the governed.

Tainari88 wrote:The USA's hold in the world will be tenous or non existent. And you will be part of the reason your empire declined.

The US navy will remain the predominant navy in the world. However, consumption-led growth will fade in much of the world, because of demography.

Tainari88 wrote:Another point Relampaguito, that is important--Democratic traditions and even attempts at true democracy is a very fragile thing. Easily destroyed

Easily destroyed if you stuff ballot boxes. Trying to sell the idea that Biden won 81M votes is a bridge too far.

Tainari88 wrote:If you believe in class systems (which you do BJ), you will never preserve democracy.

The founders of the American republic were wealthy men, and slave owners to boot. The idea that propertied people are entirely opposed to democratic rule is frankly wrong.

Tainari88 wrote:You scapegoat immigrants like if they are vermin or something.

I oppose illegal immigration for the purposes of driving down the wages of Americans. I do not scapegoat immigrants per se.

Tainari88 wrote:It disgusts me. Your racism is BAD. I do mean bad.

What you think I represent disgusts you, but it doesn't even occur to you that I have hired immigrants, dated immigrants, and count immigrants among my friends. The strawmen that you construct in your mind is what you hate, but it's pointless projecting that on to me. I have never advocated for a race-based caste system, for example. Yet, you routinely insist that I do. I routinely point out that my thoughts are much more consistent with Charles Murray's, and you are perfectly free to read his work and come to your own conclusion. If you just read his critics, you will only know what lies have been told so that you don't consider his assertions on the merits.

Tainari88 wrote:You won't be part of the advancement of human progress and it won't be helping anyone out in these bad circumstances affecting people worldwide.

Much of what advances societies involves science and technology, not emotions. For example, clean running water and sewage systems and refrigeration have saved countless lives--far more than any socialized medical system.

Rancid wrote:Hence why blackjack, a cultist, puts 100% of blame for everything on the boogieman democrats.

When have you heard me praising John McCain, Mitt Romney, Liz Cheney, et. al.? What makes you people think I defend Jeff Flake, Lincoln Chafee, or even the old dead guys like Arlen Specter? I routinely criticize them. I don't know how many times I have to say that I'm not a Republican. Yes, I used to be a Republican, but I am not a registered Republican nor have I donated a dime to them since 2006.

Steve_American wrote:No sick people travel to Blue states from Red states and spread the disease.

It has a lot to do with population density.

Steve_American wrote:How can the Gov. of a Blue state with a very limited budget reduce the death toll when sick people travel into his state and spread the disease.

They have the biggest state budgets in the United States, especially New York and California. However, at the outset of the pandemic, it was controlled on the West coast. It was the East Coast where the outbreak developed from people who came in from Europe to New York; then from New York to the rest of the country. It's not really disputed how it spread.

Steve_American wrote:Also, you are assuming it was fake news when it was reported that in July the memo said that "we want as many people to get sick and recover before the election so that the nation would reach herd immunity by then and covid would be gone." Not really a real quote, but the gist of it. And, all the Trump Gov's actions support the idea that this was its policy. So, maybe Trump told people to travel to Blue states and spread covid around.

From April forward there were mass demonstrations on a regular basis with little social distancing or wearing of masks. Politicians cheered that on. Most of them who cheered it on were Democrats. The Republicans, as usual, sat on their fat asses and did nothing.

Steve_American wrote:Because of how cynical I've become about how evil Trump is, I can easily believe this if *any* evidence to support it comes out. And we KNOW that Trump had rallies in the Blue states that spread covid among his supporters, who *would* then spread it to some others they stood near over the next week or 2.

Yes, Trump held rallies. He didn't do that to spread covid. That's just dumb.
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By Steve_American
#15150726
@ BJ,
Are you really disputing that all states have a very limited budget to meet a massive emergency?
The US has demonstrated that it has a great deal of budget flexibility to increase spending to deal with an emergency.
States are very constrained to increase deficit spending by balance budget parts of constitutions, etc.
This was why the US Gov. often over many decades gave them grants to pay for more unemployment insurance payments.
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By XogGyux
#15150727
Igor Antunov wrote:I had a great uncle who suffered from the same condition. Biden just did a certifiable dementia shuffle after introducing his science advisory team upon leaving the stage. He's further gone than I thought. Won't last the year. We shouldn't be talking about Biden and his policies - he's done. What are some stances of his Vice President-soon to be first woman president of the country? The privatized prison slave labor force is sure to grow, alongside the incarceration rate. Back to the good old days huh.

This is laughable. Where did you get your MD degree FOX news school of medicine? Your psychiatry residency AONN Psychiatric hospital?
The degree of foolishness exhibited by such post is beyond quantification.
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By Igor Antunov
#15150750
I'll send you a free cookie if he lasts the year. (spoiler: you won't get a cookie). He's clearly got Alzheimer's.
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By Godstud
#15150758
@Igor Antunov You clearly have Schizophrenia. :roll:
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