[Beren]

I just wonder when they'll became Tsardom again ...

Again? Have they ever ceased to be one?

[Hellas me ponas]

Again? Have they ever ceased to be one?

And there is a reason for this....

[noemon]

Modern liberal democracy represents corruption. Really, in Biden world there is no sense to talk about corruption anymore.

Even in Biden world, people do not poison and imprison their political opponents.

Project Fear as indicated by Hellas me ponas is no good for anybody.

Russian people should not be scared of a democratic race, if the Russian people want to vote for Navalny, let them.

All the "criticism" against him is shallow, evidence of its unreliability, it's so obvious.

And there is a reason for this....

Yeah some tiny minority of foreign agitprops turned them into Communists and destroyed their cultural traditions and whatever political evolution had happened untill then.

There is no reason to assume that Russians are incapable of democracy.

[Odiseizam]

Again? Have they ever ceased to be one?

they did in time of lenin, but again at least educated in Orthodox Seminary like Stalin became ruler, after again things went in depression, and since Putin they are again in royal mood but still with no actual Throning altho Putin is Orthodox Till bone ...

[Hellas me ponas]

they did in time of lenin, but again at least educated in Orthodox Seminary like Stalin became ruler, after again things went in depression, and since Putin they are again in royal mood but still with no actual Throning altho Putin is Orthodox Till bone ...

Dude, stalin and Lenin and every other general secretary were more or less the same as a tsar.
Same perks, different mask.

[Odiseizam]

hm, to be Tsar You Need Blessing From The Church period period period

[Hellas me ponas]

hm, to be Tsar You Need Blessing From The Church period period period

@Beren indeed it seems like I make people back into kindergarten...

[Beren]

they did in time of lenin

Even Lenin was a tsar, actually.

[Ganeshas Rat]

Putin is corrupt, agreed , but can someone tell me one modern democracy that is actually led by non corrupt personalities with morals and integrity?

It's not even that. Why should we worship 'oh, that's a fighter against corruption'? Can it possibly be that there are other problems besides corruption? And that maybe even corruption is not the biggest problem of a country? The US is corrupt as fuck (it's enough to take a look at Mexico to understand how much) and still there's no fighters against corruption who should immediately take power through revolution and clean the house. Vice versa people are busy with some bullshit like cultural expropriation or who are the bad guys in some war that happened 150 years ago. Maybe, just maybe, corruption is not the main problem of the whole planet but rather a comfortable enemy, the enemy nobody especially likes so it brings no bad reputation and the enemy a war with can continue forever (because it's as fruitful as to fight prostitution). Why should I love people who like their clean hands so much, who are so coward to meet controversial things their only enemy is lamblike corruption?

[Beren]

indeed it seems like I make people back into kindergarten...

Maybe you carry a kindergarten with yourself.

[Odiseizam]

@Hellas me ponas , @Beren ... no, kindergarten is whole Greece so its genetic thing and I dont mind sorry for my sarcasm, but it was needed response for any unacquainted member in the literal form ...

[Hellas me ponas]

@Hellas me ponas , @Beren ... no, kindergarten is whole Greece so its genetic thing and I dont mind sorry for my sarcasm, but it was needed response for any unacquainted member in the literal form ...

Well we agree on that Greece and balkans in general is a bit of a circus but that's something I'm actually thankful for. Because, so much shit and crazyness you see down here, it prepares you for everything

[Odiseizam]

@Hellas me ponas , my attempted kindergarten antithesis could be taken as xenophobic, so I'll skip further balkan examination, we can leave it for the history subforum

I'll say Tsardom must be taken seriously by any account because like that any animosity will have eschatological inertia later among the current world empires ...

[noemon]

It's not even that. Why should we worship 'oh, that's a fighter against corruption'?

How about not worshipping and keeping in power a leader that is poisoning his political opponents and using all dirty tricks in the book against them?

You have the largest and richest country on earth, you have amazing technology and yet you are poor and your economy is the size of Italy's. There is corruption and then there is Corruption, big enough to retard all productive forces in a nation.

You must be naive not to think about this.

[Heisenberg]

I did not expect you to opt for the obtuse denial route. Oh well.

The quote you chose backs up what I said. I didn't say specifically that Navalny is a neo-Nazi. I said he has ties to them, which he does.

We get the gist, according to you he is a CIA/MI6 neo-nazi stooge.

Ah, so I didn't say it then. Got it.

1) participating in the "Russian march",

Now who's being obtuse? In my experience, people without far right sympathies don't usually attend marches organised by the far right.

making undefined and unstated "statements" against Muslims

Yeah, I'd say that supporting a far right campaign named "Stop Feeding the Caucasus" and calling for strict limits on Central Asian (hint: Muslim) migration to Russia is not the sort of thing that cuddly liberals do.

(By the way, before you dismiss another "partisan" source as a way of getting around actually engaging with the content, The Atlantic is about as pro-NATO and anti-Putin as it gets, so that just won't fly.)

and 3) allegedly supporting the race-riots in his blog(without of course offering this evidence)

Here you go, unless Time magazine is also too pro-Putin for you.

After this weekend’s riot in Moscow, Navalny again showed his sympathy for the anti-immigrant movement, lashing out against the “hordes of legal and illegal immigrants” who live and work around the city’s bazaars. “From there they crawl out to the surrounding neighborhoods,” Navalny wrote on his blog on Monday. “They’re not going to die of hunger when they can’t find work, not when they can snatch a purse in the subway or take somebody’s money at knifepoint in an elevator.” So the rioters, Navalny suggested, were justified in pushing back against the immigrant threat. “If there is no fair way to resolve conflicts and problems, then people will create it themselves, with primitive and desperate measures,” he wrote.

Charming. The Keir Starmer of Russia indeed!

for "good faith measure" Putin who arrested the migrants(instead of the racists) during the race-riots is of course not just not a neo-nazi but the antidote to Navalny's neo-nazi connections.

Once again, please show me where I said "Putin is the antidote" to anything. You won't be able to, of course, because I never said it.

I'm "bad faith" because I read your dismissive attitude against Ukrainian & Russian democracy, exactly as it was intended, to demoralise any effort towards democracy because "neo-nazis".

What in the world are you talking about? I see you're a mind reader now as well, being able to tell my exact intentions!

I think it's pretty clear that my "dismissive attitude" in this thread is reserved for western liberal interventionists, and not "Ukrainian & Russian democracy". Perhaps this is why I've so clearly hit a nerve...

We get it mate, as a "socialist" you are entitled to call any liberal, a "neo-nazi stooge of the CIA and MI6", for proof, look at the FT and the Economist, they like him so he must be!

Of all your histrionics, this is the icing on the cake. As a general rule, don't present things as direct quotes when they aren't direct quotes. It's widely considered to be bad form.

[Odiseizam]

You must be naive not to think about this.

their corruption is consequence of bolshevik mentality there, and it takes time such relation to be loosen, but whats the american reason for such amount of americans to suffer (as noted before) altho they live in the richest country in the world?

[Hellas me ponas]

@Hellas me ponas , my attempted kindergarten antithesis could be taken as xenophobic, so I'll skip further balkan examination, we can leave it for the history subforum

I'll say Tsardom must be taken seriously by any account because like that any animosity will have eschatological inertia later among the current world empires ...

Don't worry you ain't xenophobic by doing a joke chill noone is going to stone you like a heretic
As for the tzar thing, Russia always NATUARALLY tended towards autarchism, just under different names. Name it General secretary name it tsar name it president.
Russia always needs one strong figure on the top of its pyramid because its a VAST territory with large frontiers and global politics that need resolve and a relatively fast response that CANNOT be provided by a real democratic system.
The idea that Real democracy would benefit Russia is delusional level trotsky

[Odiseizam]

Don't worry you ain't xenophobic by doing a joke

what if I tell You that I am Macedonian

[Hellas me ponas]

what if I tell You that I am Macedonian

Mate nowadays there are people who claim to be unicorn.
You can even be hettite I don't care. Just don't start the whole Macedonia conversation because I can guarantee you it will never end
Besides jokes, we are fine bro

[Odiseizam]

The idea that Real democracy would benefit Russia is delusional level trotsky

Bingo!!! the problem is that people think in usA there is democracy, wrong, they are modern empires with main shadowy elites behind the scenes, tho in Russia that scene is more open, they dont have enough money to bribe everyone locally and globally!