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Drlee wrote:Garbage. Where do you get this shit? Tell me Doug. If we got immigration reform with a path to citizenship when do you think the first of these new citizens would actually be minted? Get a grip.

Turn off Fox News and just sit and think for awhile.

The US has a long history of amnesties and immigration bills. It always created more people dependent on welfare state. Political side is also very dark. Latino and Asian immigrants and their children bring failed exercises of socialism into US politics. AOC and people called the squad are very face of US immigration.

Founding fathers of the US must be rolling in their graves.
By Doug64
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Drlee wrote:Garbage. Where do you get this shit? Tell me Doug.

That was Istanbuller.
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By Drlee
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@Doug64

I apologize again. I keep missing that.

@Istanbuller

The US has a long history of amnesties and immigration bills.


A long history of one. Under Ronald Reagan, Republican POTUS. Over 30 years ago.


It always created more people dependent on welfare state.


No. Actually it did not though it did dramatically increase the number of people who pay taxes.
Political side is also very dark. Latino and Asian immigrants and their children bring failed exercises of socialism into US politics.


Wait. People fleeing socialism come to the US to spread socialism? :moron:

AOC and people called the squad are very face of US immigration.


AOC is a US citizen born in NYC to a father and mother who were both US citizens. Five of the six members of "the squad" were born in the US. Three are African American. What in the fuck is your racist ass talking about?

Perhaps you are triggered by Omar, a citizen since she was 17 and in the US since she was 13. We sure don't need more people like here in the country sucking up benefits. :roll:

Omar attended Thomas Edison High School, from which she graduated in 2001, and volunteered as a student organizer.[37] She graduated from North Dakota State University in 2011 with a bachelor's degree, majoring in political science and international studies.[38][35] Omar was a Policy Fellow at the University of Minnesota's Humphrey School of Public Affairs.[39][40][41]
Yea. Who needs people like that?

Founding fathers of the US must be rolling in their graves.


Yes. At the adoption of the constitution they allowed that any person who has lived in the US for 14 years might be president.
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No. Actually it did not though it did dramatically increase the number of people who pay taxes.

It is where the problem arises first. It let size of government to expand very much. Latino and Asians influx led to expansion of US government. Voting preferences of minorities are corralated with that. It is very much the opposite of US founding libertraian principles.

Wait. People fleeing socialism come to the US to spread socialism?

Irresponsible US politicians and political atmosphere makes them like that. As I told above, voting preferences shows they fall for social welfare programs and socialist policies.

AOC is a US citizen born in NYC to a father and mother who were both US citizens. Five of the six members of "the squad" were born in the US. Three are African American. What in the fuck is your racist ass talking about?

Perhaps you are triggered by Omar, a citizen since she was 17 and in the US since she was 13. We sure don't need more people like here in the country sucking up benefits.

Omar says that US government should spend more on social programs to educate people. He think people will be better off with that.

History proves it otherwise. No nation become better with government spending. No nation become better off with taxes.

Yes. At the adoption of the constitution they allowed that any person who has lived in the US for 14 years might be president.

US constitution was based firmly on liberty. Do you know that there is no mention of democracy in it? Founding fathers never believed in tyranny of majority. They were scared of it.

Very different than today's un-America policies of administrations? Huh?
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By Drlee
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It is where the problem arises first. It let size of government to expand very much. Latino and Asians influx led to expansion of US government. Voting preferences of minorities are corralated with that. It is very much the opposite of US founding libertraian principles.


Immigrants can't vote unless they become citizens. So moving on from that nonsense.

Oh. And the US was not founded on "libertarian principles". They were founded on liberal principles in the eyes of the founders. Besides. Libertarian-ism was founded on Left-liberal principles.

Irresponsible US politicians and political atmosphere makes them like that. As I told above, voting preferences shows they fall for social welfare programs and socialist policies.


Of course you do not understand the term "socialist". So by socialist do you mean the government paying for stuff like education, road building, medical research, free health care for soldiers, and stuff like that?

US constitution was based firmly on liberty.


It talks about liberty in the preamble but then goes on the articulate the ideas of individual franchise within a republican form of representative government. (Or I should say a confederation of governments.)
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Immigrants can't vote unless they become citizens. So moving on from that nonsense.

Oh. And the US was not founded on "libertarian principles". They were founded on liberal principles in the eyes of the founders. Besides. Libertarian-ism was founded on Left-liberal principles.

I see that you like playing with words. Did I tell you anything about "illegals can vote"?

Classical liberalism in Europe is equivalent of libertarianism in the US. Classical liberalism has nothing to do with people you call liberal in today's America.

education

Public education is the main reason why people are too left and socialist leaning. That is why Latinos and Asians did not adopt American way. That is why big spending loving Joe Biden called for "unity" which is also very un-American action. Joe Biden himself does not understand what made America. How can you expect immigrants to understand it under these conditions?

Private sector can meet demand for education. There is no need for public education in a country whose budget deficit and spending is beyond revenues.

road building, medical research, free health care for soldiers

Private sector can do these. They already do.

It talks about liberty in the preamble but then goes on the articulate the ideas of individual franchise within a republican form of representative government. (Or I should say a confederation of governments.)

So it is completely different than American dream which Democrats portray.
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By Drlee
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We should not be posting this much in this thread. If you want to start another thread I will happily respond.
By Doug64
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Drlee wrote:@Doug64

I apologize again. I keep missing that.

No problem.

I decided to get this out of the way before a busy weekend, so here's this weekend's round-up of polls. Anyone that wants to check out any possible links over the next week can go to the link to the left. (Anyone wanting more details on a particular poll, just ask):

    Twenty-one percent (21%) of Likely U.S. Voters think the country is heading in the right direction, according to a new Rasmussen Reports national telephone and online survey for the week ending January 14, 2021. This week’s finding is down two points from a week ago. It is the lowest number since President Trump was elected. This week's number is the lowest since the week of July 10-14, 2016, when just 21% said the country was heading in the right direction. Seventy-two percent (72%) of voters believe the nation is headed down the wrong track, up five points from a week ago. A year ago at this time, 45% said the United States was heading in the right direction, while 51% said it was on the wrong track.

    54% of Likely U.S. Voters say American society is generally fair and decent. Thirty-eight percent (38%) disagree, saying America is basically unfair and discriminatory, while 8% say they are not sure. Among Democrats, however, these numbers are exactly reversed, with 54% saying American society is basically unfair and discriminatory and just 38% who say America is fair and decent. Seventy-two percent (72%) of Republican voters say America is fair and decent, as do 51% of voters not affiliated with either major party. Voter responses to this question haven’t changed much during Donald Trump’s presidency. Our December 2016 survey found 61% believed America was fair and decent, but Democrats were more likely to view the country as unfair and discriminatory.

    30% of American Adults rate race relations in America today as good or excellent. Thirty-three percent (33%) rate race relations as poor. Fifty percent (50%) say race relations in America today are getting worse, and only 19% think race relations are getting better. The numbers haven’t changed much since we last asked these questions in January 2019. However, Americans have become more pessimistic about racial relations in the past decade; in 2011, 38% said race relations were getting better and just 29% said things were getting worse. Remarkably, whites are more pessimistic about U.S. race relations than black people and other minorities. Just 26% of whites say race relations are good or excellent, compared to 32% of blacks and 39% of other minorities.

    36% of American Adults rate USPS performance this past holiday season worse compared to years past. Eighteen percent (18%) say postal service was better this past holiday season, and 42% say it was about the same. Overall, 54% of Americans rate USPS performance as either good or excellent, while 42% rate it fair or poor. Approval has declined since January 2015, when 69% of those surveyed rated the USPS performance as either good or excellent, and 30% rated it fair or poor.

    36% of Likely U.S. Voters think it is a good idea to cancel the Keystone XL Pipeline that would transport oil from Canada to the U.S. Fifty-one percent (51%) of voters say canceling the pipeline is a bad idea, and 13% are not sure. Sixty percent (60%) of voters expect gasoline prices to increase because of President Biden’s energy policies. Only 8% think Biden’s energy policies will lead to lower gasoline prices, while 25% expect prices to stay about the same. As might be expected, GOP voters oppose Biden’s Keystone XL Pipeline decision more than 3-to-1, but so do 20% of Democrats and 58% of voters not affiliated with either major party.

    19% of American Adults consider most Hollywood celebrities to be good role models. Sixty-one percent (61%) say most celebrities are not good role models, and 20% are not sure. Americans also tend to believe Hollywood stars lean to the left politically. Forty-eight percent (48%) say celebrities are more liberal than they are. Fifteen percent (15%) think celebrities are more conservative than they are, while 18% say celebrities hold about the same views as they do. Seventy-four (74%) percent of Republicans say Hollywood celebrities are not good role models, and 47% of Democrats agree. Among those not affiliated with either major party, 65% say celebrities are not good role models.

    Sixty percent (60%) of Likely U.S. Voters in a new Rasmussen Reports national telephone and online survey say the government should stop the caravan at the border. That’s double the 30% of voters who believe the migrants should be allowed to enter the United States temporarily until each of their cases can be individually reviewed. Voters are about evenly divided over President Biden’s decision to halt construction on the wall along the U.S.-Mexico border, with 48% saying it’s a bad idea to stop wall construction and 45% saying it’s a good idea. On the question of how to deal with the caravan from Honduras, however, there is a fairly broad consensus that the migrants should be stopped at the U.S. border. Eighty-two percent (82%) of Republican voters want the migrant caravan stopped at the border, as do 38% of Democrats and 63% of voters not affiliated with either major party.

    And Trump's last weekly approval numbers, only two days (the 18th & 19th):

    • Strongly Approve: 36% (+1)
    • Strongly Disapprove: 42%
    • Total Approve: 50% (+2)
    • Total Disapprove: 50% (-2)

    And over the past month:

    • Strongly Approve: 34%
    • Strongly Disapprove: 43%
    • Total Approve: 47%
    • Total Disapprove: 51%

    At this point Biden only has a single day's polling:

    • Strongly Approve: 36%
    • Strongly Disapprove: 38%
    • Total Approve: 48%
    • Total Disapprove: 45%
By Doug64
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Here's this weekend's round-up of polls. Anyone that wants to check out any possible links over the next week can go to the link to the left. (Anyone wanting more details on a particular poll, just ask):

    Twenty-four percent (24%) of Likely U.S. Voters think the country is heading in the right direction, according to a new Rasmussen Reports national telephone and online survey for the week ending January 21, 2021. This week’s finding is up three points from a week ago. Sixty-six percent (66%) of voters believe the nation is headed down the wrong track, down six points from a week ago. A year ago at this time, 41% said the United States was heading in the right direction, while 55% said it was on the wrong track.

    The Rasmussen Reports Immigration Index for the week of January 17-21, 2021 fell to 91.6, down from 95.0 two weeks earlier. This is the lowest it’s been since the Immigration Index began in December 2019, and the sixth consecutive survey in which the index has been under the baseline. Since the election, the index has been below the baseline every week but two, indicating voters are looking for tighter immigration control from the incoming Biden administration.

    52% of Likely U.S. Voters agree with what Sen. Marsha Blackburn (R-Tenn.) said on Twitter last week: “The decision … to re-join the Paris Climate Agreement will cost American jobs and force households and small business to pay higher utility bills.” Thirty-three percent (33%) of voters disagree and 15% say they’re not sure. Democrats are much more likely than other voters to say climate change is a crisis requiring drastic action by the federal government. Forty-four percent (44%) of all voters say it’s a crisis requiring drastic action, and an equal number disagree. Among Democrats, however, 67% say climate change is a crisis requiring drastic government action, a sentiment shared by only 24% of Republicans and 36% of voters not affiliated with either major party. Even among Democrats, though, 31% agree with Sen. Blackburn’s prediction that Biden’s decision to rejoin the Paris climate agreement will lead to lost jobs and higher bills for Americans.

    53% of GOP voters say it’s a good idea for Trump to start a third party. Thirty percent (30%) of Republicans say a third party would be a bad idea and 17% are not sure. Among all voters, 41% say it’s a good idea for Trump to start a third party, including 29% of Democrats and 43% of voters not affiliated with either party. Forty-five percent (45%) of all voters say it’s a bad idea for Trump to start a third party. Would a Trump third party be better or worse than the Republican Party? Forty-nine percent (49%) of GOP voters say it would be better, as do 38% of unaffiliated voters. Two-thirds of Democrats, however, say a Trump third party would be worse than the GOP.

    60% of American Adults are very concerned about the financial impact of COVID-19. Another 26% say they’re somewhat concerned. Thirty-five percent (35%) say they or someone in their immediate family have lost their job because of the pandemic. That’s higher than last May, when 32% said they or a family member had lost their job, but not as high as the 40% who said so in April. The number of Americans who say they are very concerned about the financial impact of COVID-19 remains the same as it was last May.

    56% of Likely U.S. Voters say America has become more divided since the election. Just 16% say the country is more united since the election, while 25% say it is about the same. Only 19% of voters are very confident that Biden will be able to unite Americans, while 26% say they’re somewhat confident Biden can unite the country. Fifteen percent (15%) are not very confident Biden will be able to unite Americans, and 39% say they’re not confident at all. Seventy-five percent (75%) of GOP voters say America has become more divided since the election, and 38% of Democrats agree, as do 58% of voters not affiliated with either major party.

    50% of Likely U.S. Voters say the Senate should not convict Trump of “high crimes and misdemeanors” in the trial scheduled to start Feb. 9. Forty-five percent (45%) of voters think Trump should be convicted. By a 3-to-1 margin, however, voters expect the Senate trial to make the country more divided, rather than more united. Fifty-seven percent (57%) of voters say Trump’s trial will cause more division in America, compared to 19% who say the trial will help unite the country. Twenty percent (20%) say the impeachment trial will not make much difference. As might be expected, Republicans overwhelmingly believe Trump is innocent of charges that he incited the January 6 Capitol riot. Eighty percent (80%) of GOP voters say Trump should be acquitted in the Senate trial, while 75% of Democrats believe the Senate should convict Trump. Among voters unaffiliated with either major party, 54% say Trump should be acquitted.

    23% of American Adults say the Kansas City Chiefs should change their name, while 60% say they shouldn’t. Seventeen percent (17%) say they’re not sure. Baseball’s Atlanta Braves were in the headlines last week after the passing of Hall of Fame great Hank Aaron, who broke Babe Ruth’s home-run record while playing for Atlanta. Only 22% say the Braves should change their name, while 63% they shouldn’t. Sixteen percent (16%) are unsure.

    So here's Biden first full week's polling:

    • Strongly Approve: 36%
    • Strongly Disapprove: 38%
    • Total Approve: 49% (+1)
    • Total Disapprove: 47% (+2)
By late
#15154032
Doug64 wrote:
So here's Biden first full week's polling:



Rasmussy leans Right. I really don't know why you waste our time when there is better to be had.

It's also included in the RCP average of polls... which looks quire different, esp. the disapproval number. Which was no accident.



https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president-biden-job-approval-7320.html
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By Drlee
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Doug is a far right Trump supporter. He is not at all interested in posting anything objective.

Note the "Rasmussen Immigration Index". Pure Republican political theater and not on bit associated with the facts.
By Doug64
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late wrote:Rasmussy leans Right. I really don't know why you waste our time when there is better to be had.

It's also included in the RCP average of polls... which looks quire different, esp. the disapproval number. Which was no accident.



https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president-biden-job-approval-7320.html

You'll notice that Rasmussen's is the only poll that is of Likely Voters, the rest are Registered Voters--which tilts the polls at least a few points to the Left. As for "better to be had," looking at the final results of the election, Rasmussen missed the spread by 3.5. For the others that actually polled close enough to the election to count?

  • Economist/YouGov: 5.5
  • The Hill/Harris X: 0.5
  • Reuters/Ipsos: 2.5

So Reuters did a little better, Harris X did significantly better, YouGov did significantly worse. But even "significantly" is only a couple points. And considering the way Biden benefited from the flagrant cheating of the judges and state officials, the fact that Rasmussen only missed the spread by 3.5 is an achievement.
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By Drlee
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And considering the way Biden benefited from the flagrant cheating of the judges and state officials...


:lol:

Seriously. No thinking person is buying that bullshit anymore.
By Doug64
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Drlee wrote::lol:

Seriously. No thinking person is buying that bullshit anymore.

What, not buying that judges and state officials altered election laws without going through the state legislatures? Weren't you paying attention?
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By Drlee
#15154286
What, not buying that judges and state officials altered election laws without going through the state legislatures? Weren't you paying attention?


Its over Sport. Trump lost. Every single state ratified the results. Congress ratified the results. The courts ratified the results. Not a single significant challenge to the election remains.

Stop acting like a hurt little child. You lost. Get over it. Do better next time. Of course for bigots like you "better" is voter suppression. Are you beginning to get the idea that a great many people look at your position and just shake their heads, walking away chuckling. Grow up, educate yourself on the concept and embrace democracy. Who knows? You may come to like it.

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By Doug64
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Note that @Drlee's response doesn't rebut anything I said. That is what passes for "debate" in Drlee's universe.
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By Drlee
#15154658
Actually I did. I posted:

Its over Sport. Trump lost. Every single state ratified the results. Congress ratified the results. The courts ratified the results. Not a single significant challenge to the election remains.


What part of that do I need to post in smaller words?
By Doug64
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@Drlee, What does any of that have to do with whether judges and state officials violated the Constitution by altering state election laws passed by their legislatures? Or do you believe that crimes don't happen unless a conviction is secured in court? I hate to break it to you, but if a felony occurs and the police bungle the investigation to the point the district attorney exercises their prosecutorial discretion (the real thing, not Obama's mockery) to not try the case, that doesn't mean that a felony didn't occur--it means the criminal got away with their crime. And as I pointed out on the US Supreme Court Watch thread, the Court may yet make it clear that those judges and state officials stepped over the line, now that they can't be accused of choosing the next president.
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By Drlee
#15154948
Or do you believe that crimes don't happen unless a conviction is secured in court?


Horrible example but perhaps you should take a government class. Because in the US if you can't prove it in court, no matter what the reason, it did not happen. We have this odd thing called innocence until proven guilty.

But the you claimed that the constitution was violated. You failed to point out that an army of lawyers, facing hundreds of judges appointed by republicans all the way to the SCOTUS, could not prove a single constitution violation.

You lost. Trump lost. The law is clear. Get over it. You are making a fool of yourself. Again.
By late
#15154949
Doug64 wrote:
Or do you believe that crimes don't happen unless a conviction is secured in court



According to both Republican and Democrat election officials, the election was clean. According to Krebs, a Republican in charge of cybersecurity, they were the cleanest ever.

You've divorced reality.
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