Pants-of-dog wrote:I think the issue of whether or not (or how) women share their spaces with trans women is a discussion best had within the community of people oppressed by patriarchy.
So everyone can discuss it? Cool. I thought that's what I was doing but you kept running around or ignoring/dismissing what's being discussed; the main issue is of the invasion of female spaces and erasure of women in language (see the above clip or the other debate over here in the U.K. about not naming sex in the Census).
Women were generally fine with trans ideology until it started to fuck with them. When it demanded we recognise 'transwomen are women' and got called names if we disagreed on the biological front. When it started suing beauticians and gynecologists
for refusing to work on male genitalia. When it attacked
and defunded women-only rape shelters. When it imposed itself into our spaces and sports despite clear objections. With the erasure of women in language
and via various bills being debated in the U.K. currently. Changing statistics by self-ID that's resulted in an 84% increase of "female" pedos in the last 4 years.
I won't bother going into the countless women who have lost jobs or who self-censor for not conforming to this ideology.
You need to stop pretending this isn't an attack on women's rights. There is something deeply misogynistic about aspects of this ideology and frankly it's not a huge surprise that men are either ignorant of it or willfully ignorant about it. I won't get into the homophobia within it that's lately been resulting in LGB groups taking the T out of their orgs but can do if interested.
So, instead I will take your advice and listen to women (trans or cis) instead of telling them what I think they should do.
But you've already been telling me it's basically ok for female spaces to be invaded just because someone labels themselves trans. That's your position. Simultaneously you ignore women's objections to this. Why?