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#15157296
Rich wrote:
But treachery is itself a matter of perspective. Even after two and a half thousand years to analyse the matter, there's no real consensus on whether Socrates was the noblest Athenian ever or a Laconophillic traitor.



Dead men don't lie.
#15157305
Godstud wrote:Endorsing protests is not endorsing riots, but you are purposefully misrepresenting this because of your right-wing mental illness.

Trump did not endorse rioting either, but people like Mitch McConnell want to blame Trump as a "practical" matter. Well? What about the billions in damage throughout 2020? Where's Mitch McConnell on that? The establishment has lost credibility for a reason.
#15157307
The distinction between attacking lives and attacking property is not a clear one. Life does not exist in a vacuum. You need material things like food and shelter to sustain life. So, in some cases, an attack on property is an attack on life or at least an attack on someone's livelihood.
#15157376
blackjack21 wrote:Yes, folks. Let's looks at how two people can have two different points of view given the same set of imagery. It's all relative. It's just a matter of perspective, ya see!

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[img]https://media3.s-nbcnews.com/j/newscms/2020_22/3369106/200529-third-precinct-police-fire-ac-1206p_a2f7c827d5a250758475e2d52b553136.fit-760w.jpg[/img
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The Democrats cheered this behavior on, because they thought it would hurt Trump politically. The foregoing imagery did not horrify them at all. What horrified them was this:

[img]https://pjmedia.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/01/capitol-guy-3.jpeg[/img

See? The fire, the mob? That's a peaceful protest. In the Capitol? That's an armed insurrection. That needs to be taken very, very seriously.


Lurkers, in last pic, the guy on the left in the yellow sweatshirt has the tattoos for the TV show that sort of look like a hammer & sickle.

To my mind burning down a police station after the police murdered one of your people ON CAMERA, so there is no doubt . . is . . very different from invading the Capitol to steal an election because you think it was fraudulent, when your side could find zero evidence (let alone it being on camera for all to see) that was good enough to be presented to a court of law. Zero evidence was presented to any court of law of election fraud of a scale that mattered. IIRC.

The MAGA people don't seem to grasp that having evidence MATTERS. At least, until they are in court, and then they demand the state prove its case with evidence.
. . . Another example, a MAGA guy's brother is shot in the heart in the street by a Black guy who claims self-defense, because he felt threatened by the big angry guy in a MAGA hat. I bet our MAGA guy is going to demand the Black guy provide some evidence to back up his claim of self-defense.
. . . As soon as the shoe is on the other foot, the situation is "different", as in they'll say, "That's different".
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#15157389
Steve_American wrote:To my mind burning down a police station after the police murdered one of your people ON CAMERA, so there is no doubt . . is . . very different from invading the Capitol to steal an election because you think it was fraudulent, when your side could find zero evidence (let alone it being on camera for all to see) that was good enough to be presented to a court of law.

Yes, it's very different in that it's an actual insurrection, backed by the force of a mob, arson, violent force and requiring the police to abandon their own precinct, when they could simply have filed criminal charges against the police officer involved.

When political factions conspire to change election laws by fiat, kick out election observers, and refuse to verify signatures on mail-in ballots, the election is no longer seen as free and fair. The United States historically has stood against exactly this type of behavior in foreign countries when it thought it was in its interest. Pretending that 100s of thousands of ballots come in at 4 a.m. for one candidate when there are no election observers, because they've been kicked out, generally doesn't help the government establish any credibility. As such, operating without the consent of the governed, the Congress is now surrounded by fencing, razor wire and troops. It's a parody of a democracy. Not even Vladimir Putin does this in Moscow.
#15157400
late wrote:At this rate, the sun will go cold around the time you stop that.

Ha! It's freezing in Texas and the "renewable", "green", "sustainable" energy doesn't work. The sun will burnout long before socialism ever works as advertised.
#15157417
blackjack21 wrote:
Ha! It's freezing in Texas and the "renewable", "green", "sustainable" energy doesn't work. The sun will burnout long before socialism ever works as advertised.



Thank you for promptly proving my point.

Texas deregulated power in the 90s, and is now paying the price.

Also, there are windmills in Antarctica spinning as we speak. Do you think Texas is colder than Antarctica?

Also, and I am having trouble accepting this, but I read that natural gas pipelines froze. How incompetent do you have to be to let that happen?

Lastly, this has f*** all to do with socialism.
#15157986
Scamp wrote:What BLM and Antifa did was riot.

What the Patriots did at the US Capitol was a protest.



Hi, I'm new here and as I did not see an introductions thread, let this be my introduction.

Scamp, to clarify, what's the distinction for you between a riot and a protest?
#15158124
19 dead and looting and setting businesses and govt buildings and police stations on fire and causing over $1 billion in damages is rioting. That was blm and antifa.
The Capitol protest was basically people being let into the building by some of the Capitol police.
#15158134
6 people dead in one riot/insurrection in one day.

19 people dead in riots over the last 8 months... worldwide. BLM and Antifa were not the causes.

Your comparisons are shit, and deceitful, @Scamp.

@blackjack21 75% of the Texas powergrid is non-Green, and it failed horribly, despite a warning 10 years ago.

In August 2011, the Federal Energy Regulatory Commission and the North American Electric Reliability Corp. wrote a 357-page report about the February 2011 outage.

The report stated that in 1989, after cold weather caused many generators to fail, the Public Utility Commission of Texas issued a number of recommendations aimed at improving winterization of the generators. However, "these recommendations were not mandatory, and over the course of time implementation lapsed. Many of the generators that experienced outages in 1989 failed again in 2011," the report stated.

The report found that in 2011 "the generators did not adequately anticipate the full impact of the extended cold weather and high winds." More thorough preparation for cold weather could have prevented many of the weather-related outages, the report found.

https://www.statesman.com/story/news/po ... 540833001/

Nothing was done, obviously. Trying to blame it on Green energy is a complete nonsense, and you're lying again, about Green energy being the cause. Go away.
#15158204
Scamp wrote:19 dead and looting and setting businesses and govt buildings and police stations on fire and causing over $1 billion in damages is rioting. That was blm and antifa.
The Capitol protest was basically people being let into the building by some of the Capitol police.


Some of those 19 dead people were killed by police while (for example) serving food at their work.

For that specific case, I would think that Harris supports and approves of the actions of the killing cops. She was a DA.
#15158209
blackjack21 wrote:Ha! It's freezing in Texas and the "renewable", "green", "sustainable" energy doesn't work. The sun will burnout long before socialism ever works as advertised.


You are completely full of fucking shit here. The largest failure were the thermo generator plants. That is, gas and coal plants. Many of the gas plants were shut down because they were not winterized. Further, many couldn't get a supply of gas going. Further, the Texas vision of energy for the last 30 years has been run by conservatives. This failure lands squarely on their fucking feet. Like you, these conservatives are weaselly scum.

Governor Abbot lied through his fucking teeth too when he suggested this was due to frozen wind turbines. It was less than 10% of the loss capacity came from renewable.

Shut the fuck up with your bullshit lies.
#15158340
Rancid wrote:Further, the Texas vision of energy for the last 30 years has been run by conservatives.

You can blame George W. Bush, but he was a neoconservative, not a conservative.

Rancid wrote:Governor Abbot lied through his fucking teeth too when he suggested this was due to frozen wind turbines. It was less than 10% of the loss capacity came from renewable.

Why the Deep Freeze Caused Texas to Lose Power
Scientific American wrote:Wind generation fell 32% between 9 p.m. Sunday and 3 a.m. Monday local time, according to U.S. Energy Information Administration figures. Coal dropped 13%. And natural gas generation, the cornerstone of the Texas grid, plummeted 25% over that six-hour period.

So you are saying the Biden administration is lying?

At any rate, this shouldn't be happening at all, because global warming is going to cause the planet to boil over any day now. If people weren't so anti-coal, this probably wouldn't have been a big deal.
#15158410
blackjack21 wrote:Yes, it's very different in that it's an actual insurrection, backed by the force of a mob, arson, violent force and requiring the police to abandon their own precinct, when they could simply have filed criminal charges against the police officer involved.


Not condoning violence and property destruction at BLM protests (or any protest), but I wonder if you realize how ridiculous a statement you just made. Very few successful cases are filed against police officers who used deadly violence on suspects. One of the points, and causes, of the protests last year was precisely that many people were fed up with a lack of police accountability. Police departments are the most egregious offenders because they consistently protect their own, much like the Catholic Church protected child-molesting priests. So many violations go unpunished. Even the prosecution of Derek Chauvin, the most famous case in the country, with video taped footage of and multiple eyewitnesses to his murder of George Floyd, is a difficult prosecution.

Some of the more famous and egregious instances:
Eric Garner
Daniel Prude
Breonna Taylor
Andre Maurice Hill
Carlos Ingram Lopez
Stephon Clark
Philando Castile

The death of Philando Castile is particularly horrifying. You can see the footage on the internet. The guy was out for a drive with his girlfriend and her young daughter. Wasn't intoxicated, didn't behave threateningly - and he's dead. Because the officer had an itchy trigger finger.
#15158432
Yggdrasill wrote:Not condoning violence and property destruction at BLM protests (or any protest), but I wonder if you realize how ridiculous a statement you just made.

Not many stolen elections get rectified either. So? What's a populace going to do?

Yggdrasill wrote:One of the points, and causes, of the protests last year was precisely that many people were fed up with a lack of police accountability.

Many people are fed up with Democrats cheating in elections. Democrat prosecutors and Democrat judges protect Democrat unionized police forces all the time. I get that. They also do the same for their political operations. There is a reason there hasn't been a Republican mayor of Atlanta in 172 years, and it isn't the wild popularity of Democrats. It has something to do with corruption.

Yggdrasill wrote:Police departments are the most egregious offenders because they consistently protect their own, much like the Catholic Church protected child-molesting priests.

Or Democrat pollsters protect those committing fraud. The reality of the situation for police is that they are dispatched somewhere by someone. It's not something they conjure up on their own initiative in most cases.

Yggdrasill wrote:Even the prosecution of Derek Chauvin, the most famous case in the country, with video taped footage of and multiple eyewitnesses to his murder of George Floyd, is a difficult prosecution.

The problem with the Floyd case is that he was covid positive, had plenty of fentanyl in his system and had enlarged lungs. It's an easy case of excessive use of force. It's slightly more challenging as a manslaughter case. However, going for first or second degree murder is much harder to do with police officers, because they are being dispatched to a location by their superiors--making it extremely difficult to make the case that he woke up and said, "Hmmm. I think I'm going to kill a black man today." Amy Klobuchar ended up dropping out of the running for the VP slot hoping we'd all forget that she turned down the opportunity to prosecute Chauvin.

Yggdrasill wrote:Some of the more famous and egregious instances:
Eric Garner
Daniel Prude
Breonna Taylor
Andre Maurice Hill
Carlos Ingram Lopez
Stephon Clark
Philando Castile

Eric Garner also had health issues. Once again, he was in a Democrat-controlled city that was trying to squeeze every last bit of money out of cigarette taxes, and Garner was selling untaxed cigarettes. He resisted arrest and had to be restrained. The stress of the arrest combined with his health issues resulted in respiratory arrest. He was not choked to death intentionally by the police.

Daniel Prude was a case where he was detoxing from PCP, which causes psychosis and a low respiratory rate among other things. That why drugs like Dextromethorphan are prescribed for coughs. However, if you are psychotic and the police have to restrain you, and you have a depressed respiratory rate because of the illegal drugs you are taking, why is that the police department's fault? If it wasn't illegal to be on those drugs, they probably wouldn't even show up anyway.

Breonna Taylor's case is also hard to deduce, because the media outright lied as they did in the Michael Brown case. Evidence shows that the police did knock on the door, and the no-knock warrant story was false. There were stories that the police went to the wrong house. That was also a lie. Yet, the city settled, which to me suggests there might be some kind of kick back scheme going on between the government, litigators and the press. Too many of these seem like there may be some kind of a shake down involved.

Andre Maurice Hill is a valid case of the police not following procedure and not rendering aid. Coy was indicted three weeks ago. We'll see how that goes.

Carlos Ingram Lopez is another drug case with respiratory arrest involved. The officers in question didn't follow procedure, but it is unlikely that they killed Lopez intentionally or even unintentionally.

Stephon Clark was ordered to show his hands, and he put forward his cell phone, which in the dark the police mistook for a gun. Again, they will probably not be charged, because he was being tracked by a helicopter, and fled police trying to arrest him. Had he not been evading arrest, it probably wouldn't have happened.

The police officer, Yanez, in the Philando Castile case was charged and found not guilty. I think that's a case where the police definitely fucked up.

So you have famous instances, but only the Philando Castile case suggests a complete fuck up by the police. Most of the rest of these cases involve drugs, drug-induced psychosis and/or resisting or evading arrest.

Yggdrasill wrote:The death of Philando Castile is particularly horrifying. You can see the footage on the internet. The guy was out for a drive with his girlfriend and her young daughter. Wasn't intoxicated, didn't behave threateningly - and he's dead. Because the officer had an itchy trigger finger.

Yes. We are in agreement, but only on one of the cases you presented. One is still outstanding. However, these all generally involve non-compliance with police orders during arrests, health-related or drug-induced respiratory failure, or psychotic behavior.

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