wat0n wrote:@Tainari88 saying that "corruption happens in socialism because the population has to face a much higher bar" is hardly a good explanation.
You say that in the end corruption leads to Revolution, and cite China and Zinn's views on US history (which I'm sure is not a consensus among American historians). True, but that happens when your political system cannot properly deal with it, and that will happen when it has poor or non-existent checks and balances. It's why real socialist regimes in reality would eventually become very, very corrupt for our lower capitalist standards and it would be widespread since it's necessary for getting even basic amenities of life done.
I don't think you can fully eliminate corruption but we can reduce it so it at least doesn't make life unlivable and the government terminally dysfunctional.
You better start citing your sources Wat0n because I have done my homework on cooperative socialist models that work.
A lot? So if you want to posit that socialism fails because the nature of humans is selfish self-destruction? Your view SUCKS. It is not working (the cutthroat capitalism doesn't work Wat0n). In fact, all the structures you like about the USA is and has been from a series of American socialists. Listen to the audiobook by Sunkara:
Lincoln and Karl Marx exchanged letters on the theme of slavery. What happened with these organizations who were responsible for ending child labor and for greater equality in American history? You don't know it Wat0n. You go to the public library in Chicago and check out Howard Zinn's book and Sunkara, and I have three hundred more books on socialism that is international in scope and what worked spectacularly well in many societies all over the world. Start reading the letter exchange between Abe Lincoln and Marx. It is interesting. Marx thought owning human beings via making them property was not a good idea ever. Lol. Lincoln was trying to save the union.
Dedicate yourself to historical reading. Learn. It teaches you that all the lies about other ideologies that are not some get rich quick scheme in capitalist high finance fraud circles on Wall Street is about human intelligence trying to fix what is unjust.
But if you let yourself believe in what is the worst of the scenarios? You fall.
The thing is Wat0n, the failure is about what the high tech quanters talked about when making their algorithms it is interesting....you failed to address what the guy with the beard said about the faith in capitalism being broken. It is troubling that the ones who dedicated their brainpower to making technology work for capitalism don't trust it at all. Yet you do? Por que?
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para buscar la fuente que te robó de niño
y en un ímpetu loco te devolvió al sendero.