- 17 Apr 2021 16:29
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Maybe it is not meant to pass at all, and just fail so that they have an excuse to energize voters in 2 years?
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Saeko wrote:For once I agree with @Istanbuller.
Mitch McConnell has spent the last twelve years destroying the legislative branch so he could pack the courts. If this bill passes, it will undo his entire legacy. All of his long years of obstructionism, and absolutely nothing to show for it. After this, there will never again be another Mitch McConnell.
Rugoz wrote:
1) Its size hasn't changed since 1869, right after the civil war.
2) Packing the supreme court is a well-known move by any wanna-be dictator. If the Dems do it now, the Republicans are guaranteed to do it next. It will render the court completely illegitimate in the eyes of Americans at a time when it is more needed than ever.
Not at all. The current supreme court just upheld an election result against vicious attacks from the right. Time to set your priorities straight.
late wrote:3) Way to miss the obvious, the SC has made a number of decisions that favor the Right. I'm not going to get into all of it, if I can avoid it. But I can pick the high points. The 2000 election when they gave the election to a Republican due to voting in Florida, which was cheating it's ass off. Gutting the Voting Rights Act. Announcing they wouldn't take most voter suppression cases in the future. Ruling that money is speech
wat0n wrote:
It seems that what you want is to have a SCOTUS that will rule always for the Left, and never for the Right (that is, a partisan court) rather than having one in charge of interpreting the law.
late wrote:1) That does not rebut what I said.
late wrote:2) Republicans have been packing the courts for years. The kooks on the court are already undermining the legitimacy of the court. A balanced court would counter the kookiness.
late wrote:3) Way to miss the obvious, the SC has made a number of decisions that favor the Right. I'm not going to get into all of it, if I can avoid it. But I can pick the high points. The 2000 election when they gave the election to a Republican due to voting in Florida, which was cheating it's ass off. Gutting the Voting Rights Act. Announcing they wouldn't take most voter suppression cases in the future. Ruling that money is speech
late wrote:It's already one of the most partisan courts in American history, and it's getting worse.
Under the new arrangement, all it would take is one judge on either side to swing the decision.
Look at my thread, "Judges gone feral".
wat0n wrote:
How is it partisan?
wat0n wrote:
I was expecting something like an analysis showing it would tend to rule more for the GOP.
In reality, gerrymandering can help either party and indeed both play that game.
Rugoz wrote:Whatever McConnell did, AFAIK he didn't change the rules of the game, or only insofar as both Presidency and Senate have to be controlled by the same party to realistically fill a supreme court position. If the Dems increase the size of the court to 13 and appoint 4 liberal judges, what prevents the Republicans from doing the same in a few years? It will be tit-for-tat until the supreme court is a complete joke. Meanwhile many Americans think the election was stolen. This is a bad time for this kind of game.
You should consider the experience other countries had with democratic backsliding and what mistakes were made there. The Dems have to be the smart people here.
If the Dems increase the size of the court to 13 and appoint 4 liberal judges, what prevents the Republicans from doing the same in a few years?
XogGyux wrote:Absolutely nothing, but we are already playing that game.
Rugoz wrote:
Refusing to confirm an Obama judge...
late wrote:You are trying to imply there is a balance when clearly that is long gone.
Rugoz wrote:
You are trying to imply it can't get far worse. Basic common sense and experience from other countries shows it can.
late wrote:The kooks are undermining the foundations of democracy.
late wrote:What we need to do is restore balance, restore the ratio.
Rugoz wrote:You know as well as I do that the Republicans will take this as an invitation to escalate further, along the lines I've described above.
Saeko wrote:The Republicans will escalate anyway.
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Fuck them.
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