- 07 May 2021 14:15
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Northern Cyprus is occupied territory by the Turkish army and a Turkish colony where colonists are sent illegally for several decades now. North Macedonia is self-determined and independent, has also been named as such with my blessings.
How do you hope to justify the CCP snatching the Taiwanese people against their will by mentioning this whataboutism?
Strawman that totally ignores the nation-state of Taiwan. It is not the US trying to snatch Taiwan but China.
All these are irrelevant strawmen that you are discussing with yourself.
The nation-state of Taiwan does not want to be under CCP''s rule.
You 're not making any sense. You falsely claimed that:
That is a lie and does not correspond to the links you have yourself posted in the thread.
1) Civilian flights do not get registered as violations,
2) Chinese military flights from Shangai to Fuzhou or Xiamen do not get registered as violations of the Taiwanese ADIZ.
Fasces wrote:I've never said otherwise - though your stringent support for self determinations seems to fail when it comes to topics like Macedonia naming itself or Northern Cyprus.
Northern Cyprus is occupied territory by the Turkish army and a Turkish colony where colonists are sent illegally for several decades now. North Macedonia is self-determined and independent, has also been named as such with my blessings.
How do you hope to justify the CCP snatching the Taiwanese people against their will by mentioning this whataboutism?
Fasces wrote:I do not for one second think any concern voiced by the US State Department is authentic/out of genuine concern for the well being of these populations. They are motivated entirely as a mechanism to manufacture consent for a new Cold War and to maintain the current world order led by the US. The concerns are completely independent of any reality on the ground, and even if China were a perfect Saint, which I reiterate they are not, it would be necessary for the US to make it seem otherwise - and the US absolutely would.
Strawman that totally ignores the nation-state of Taiwan. It is not the US trying to snatch Taiwan but China.
Iran has a far greater democratic tradition than any other US partner in the region bar Israel and Turkey - though both are becoming flawed democracies on a comparable level as Iran. The US is not motivated in any way by "democracy". It is at the bottom of the list of priorities. If Taiwan were a brutal pro-US North Korea-esque dictatorship and China were an authentic but anti-American democracy, the US would support Taiwan in a heartbeat - much like how the US has supported autocratic states against pro-Soviet democracies in Europe, South Asia, the Middle East, and South America in the past.
All these are irrelevant strawmen that you are discussing with yourself.
The nation-state of Taiwan does not want to be under CCP''s rule.
What does the "south western corner of the Taiwanese ADIZ" mean to you? To me it means: not over Taiwanese territorial airspace or territorial waters, not within range of either, not in a direct trajectory toward either, and not in any meaningful sense an aggressive move toward Taiwan except as a demonstration of Taiwanese impotence - a directly comparable action to the constant sailing of US warships through disputed international waters.
Do you consider that aggressive? If not, why is a Chinese flight?
You 're not making any sense. You falsely claimed that:
Fasces wrote:Any Chinese flight from Shanghai to Fuzhou or Xiamen violates the Taiwanese ADIZ. A navy flight from mainland Chinese territory, to a Chinese naval vessel in international waters violates the Taiwanese ADIZ. The Taiwanese ADIZ is far larger than standard, and the result is an easy stream of stories that prove "Chinese aggression".
That is a lie and does not correspond to the links you have yourself posted in the thread.
1) Civilian flights do not get registered as violations,
2) Chinese military flights from Shangai to Fuzhou or Xiamen do not get registered as violations of the Taiwanese ADIZ.
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...take your common sense with you, and leave your prejudices behind...