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If Stalin - Hitler´s Devils' Alliance held, Could these 2 Asiatic (1) despots conquer the Europe (Northern Africa?) ? and What USA and Britain ´d do?


The Devils' Alliance: Hitler's Pact with Stalin, 1939-1941 ...
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6 Aug 2014 — Seventy-five years ago, on 23 August 1939, Hitler's Germany and Stalin's Russia stunned the world by announcing that they had concluded a ...


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Unofficially it has also been referred to as the Hitler–Stalin Pact, Nazi–Soviet Pact or Nazi–Soviet Alliance (although it was not a formal alliance). Its clauses ...
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German–Soviet Axis talks occurred in October and November 1940 concerning the Soviet ... Stalin proposed a toast to Hitler, and Stalin and Soviet Foreign Minister ... He had not yet abandoned the possibility of other political outcomes and still talked of a "great worldwide coalition that stretched from Yokohama to Spain", ...


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"Both Hitler and Himmler had a soft spot for Islam. Hitler several times fantasized that, if the Saracens had not been stopped at the Battle of Tours, Islam would have spread through the European continent—and that would have been a good thing, since “Jewish Christianity” wouldn’t have gone on to poison Europe. Christianity doted on weakness and suffering, while Islam extolled strength, Hitler believed. Himmler in a January 1944 speech called Islam “a practical and attractive religion for soldiers,” with its promise of paradise and beautiful women for brave martyrs after their death. “This is the kind of language a soldier understands,” Himmler gushed."
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litwin wrote:If Stalin - Hitler´s Devils' Alliance held, Could these 2 Asiatic (1) despots conquer the Europe (Northern Africa?) ? and What USA and Britain ´d do?


The Devils' Alliance: Hitler's Pact with Stalin, 1939-1941 ...
https://www.theguardian.com › books › aug › devils-all...

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6 Aug 2014 — Seventy-five years ago, on 23 August 1939, Hitler's Germany and Stalin's Russia stunned the world by announcing that they had concluded a ...


Molotov–Ribbentrop Pact - Wikipedia
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Unofficially it has also been referred to as the Hitler–Stalin Pact, Nazi–Soviet Pact or Nazi–Soviet Alliance (although it was not a formal alliance). Its clauses ...
‎Background · ‎Consequences in Finland... · ‎Soviet–German relations · ‎Aftermath
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German–Soviet Axis talks - Wikipedia
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German–Soviet Axis talks occurred in October and November 1940 concerning the Soviet ... Stalin proposed a toast to Hitler, and Stalin and Soviet Foreign Minister ... He had not yet abandoned the possibility of other political outcomes and still talked of a "great worldwide coalition that stretched from Yokohama to Spain", ...


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"Both Hitler and Himmler had a soft spot for Islam. Hitler several times fantasized that, if the Saracens had not been stopped at the Battle of Tours, Islam would have spread through the European continent—and that would have been a good thing, since “Jewish Christianity” wouldn’t have gone on to poison Europe. Christianity doted on weakness and suffering, while Islam extolled strength, Hitler believed. Himmler in a January 1944 speech called Islam “a practical and attractive religion for soldiers,” with its promise of paradise and beautiful women for brave martyrs after their death. “This is the kind of language a soldier understands,” Himmler gushed."


Not likely because:

1) This topic doesn't understand Hitlers and his generals world view at the time. Hitler was an autarc so his mindset was different from a capitalist or communist. On top of that there was the question of ideological racial purity. Long story short Hitler thought that exporting production to the Soviet Union is not feasable because Soviet Union then build the factories and will not need to buy machine goods from Germany. Meaning that the SU will block the exports of oil,gas and other natual resources that Germany needed. So Germany didn't really want peace with the USSR due to Hitlers economic views and his racial views. Then there was the view of his generals who said that Russia is going to be the same as France and will take 4 months at worst case. Why wouldn't they say it. In historic perspective in WW1, Germans never could break the Western front while they managed to beat the Russians. Now they have decimated the Western front so how could Russia resist?

2) Soviet Union didn't necessarily want peace with Germany either. By all accounts long term Stalins plan was to attack the Germans somewhere in 43 or 44 when they would exhaust themselves against the allies.

So there was no chance that they would conquer the world because both ultimately wanted to fuck each other. Stalin was just smarter about it but got caught offguard and in 1941 Germany mowed down the Soviet Army. After that it was pretty much stable and ultimately combined effort of USSR, Uk and US won the war due to them having far more resources, people and so on.
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JohnRawls wrote:Not likely because:

1) This topic doesn't understand Hitlers and his generals world view at the time. Hitler was an autarc so his mindset was different from a capitalist or communist. On top of that there was the question of ideological racial purity. Long story short Hitler thought that exporting production to the Soviet Union is not feasable because Soviet Union then build the factories and will not need to buy machine goods from Germany. Meaning that the SU will block the exports of oil,gas and other natual resources that Germany needed. So Germany didn't really want peace with the USSR due to Hitlers economic views and his racial views. Then there was the view of his generals who said that Russia is going to be the same as France and will take 4 months at worst case. Why wouldn't they say it. In historic perspective in WW1, Germans never could break the Western front while they managed to beat the Russians. Now they have decimated the Western front so how could Russia resist?

2) Soviet Union didn't necessarily want peace with Germany either. By all accounts long term Stalins plan was to attack the Germans somewhere in 43 or 44 when they would exhaust themselves against the allies.

So there was no chance that they would conquer the world because both ultimately wanted to fuck each other. Stalin was just smarter about it but got caught offguard and in 1941 Germany mowed down the Soviet Army. After that it was pretty much stable and ultimately combined effort of USSR, Uk and US won the war due to them having far more resources, people and so on.

"Hitler was an autarc so his mindset was different from a capitalist or communist. " you are wrong he was just a koba´s copy cat
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Nazism was racial socialism, so it had more in common with Communism than Capitalism. Beyond that, to condense @JohnRawls’s answer, the problem with this thread’s question is that for the “alliance” to hold, Hitler and Stalin would have had to not be Hitler and Stalin, one of them was bound to attack the other sooner or later. It’s like the question of whether Napoleon would have been able to hold his empire together and pass it on to his heir if he hadn’t invaded Russia—very possibly, but that would require that Napoleon not be Napoleon.
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