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#15172289
Wellsy wrote:https://youtu.be/y87R3Lp0jd0


Wow. That was an interesting video.

It looks like China has locked itself into a vicious hate cycle with the rest of the world. The nationalism they are stoking is dangerous for the globe. All I can say is that I hope the CCP collapse happens before any sort of war gets triggered.

I knew about one insult tweet from a diplomat, but I didn't realize this was something that happened more than once.

Also, LOL @ "Japan is already maxed out" :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

I'd imagine that many of the leading governments around the world understand all of the issues noted in those videos. It almost seems like a good strategy is to just let China continue shooting itself in the foot with all of their aggressive posturing. Places like Taiwan and Hong Kong just need to hold out as much as they can.

Last, it's like they are becoming more and more like North Korea. They spend more on domestic security than military. :eek:
#15172294
Rancid wrote:Wow. That was an interesting video.

It looks like China has locked itself into a vicious hate cycle with the rest of the world.


The Western world, at any rate. I dislike these types of videos that ignore the attitudes of Africa, South Asia/Southeast Asia, or South America. The video would have been improved without focusing on Europe + Korea + Japan and defining that as "the world". It's so insular, and taking these regions for granted is largely why China is making so much headway there.
#15172295
Fasces wrote:
The Western world, at any rate. I dislike these types of videos that ignore the attitudes of Africa, South Asia/Southeast Asia, or South America. The video would have been improved without focusing on Europe + Korea + Japan and defining that as "the world". It's so insular, and taking these regions for granted is largely why China is making so much headway there.


I recall reading some years ago that parts of Latin America were also developing negative views of China. My memory tells me Argentina in particular experienced a significant drop in outlook on CHina.
#15172296
Rancid wrote:I recall reading some years ago that parts of Latin America were also developing negative views of China. My memory tells me Argentina in particular experienced a significant drop in outlook on CHina.


It's possible, but given the deepening diplomatic and political ties between China and these parts of the world, I think videos that ignore them to talk about 'world opinion' simply miss the mark completely. China won't be liked by the parts of the world it is challenging - what a revelation! What about the other 5 billion humans? :lol:

PolyMatter made a similar mistake in his last video about the demographic crisis - he claimed there's little international interest to immigrate to China... which is true, from the Western world. African and South Asian immigration into China, however, is at all time highs. His biases affect his analysis/conclusions, that's all.
#15172297
Fasces wrote:What about the other 5 billion humans?


Like the powers that came before, they would be available for exploitation I guess.

Fasces wrote:PolyMatter made a similar mistake in his last video about the demographic crisis - he claimed there's little international interest to immigrate to China... which is true, from the Western world. African and South Asian immigration into China, however, is at all time highs. His biases affect his analysis/conclusions, that's all.


I wonder how this immigration would gel with the general nationalist sentiment. Does China promote civic nationalism?
#15172298
Rancid wrote:I wonder how this immigration would gel with the general nationalist sentiment. Does China promote civic nationalism?


It varies. Guangzhou has a very famous problem with race relations between local Chinese and its African community (some 100-200k). There's also some online resentment about foreign students taking spots in Chinese universities from Chinese.

In general, however, China is much more welcome toward immigrants than many East Asian or Western nations:

The Diplomat wrote:Among our nationwide sample, 33 percent of respondents answered that the number of foreign migrants in China should further increase, versus 25 percent who answered that it should decrease by a little or a lot and 42 percent who preferred the status quo. Compared internationally, these figures suggest relatively low levels of anti-immigration sentiment. In Japan, a country that like China has no tradition of immigration, 23 percent of a national sample supported an increase in migrants, while in Eastern Europe, where immigration levels are generally low as well, a majority, when polled, wanted a decrease in immigration.

On the effect of foreign migrants on the country’s development, just over half of our respondents answered that they think immigration benefits China’s development. This outcome fits with that of a 2018 Pew survey of 18 countries around the world, from the U.K. to Russia, in which 56 percent of respondents on average in all countries responded that immigrants made their country stronger. Compared to those countries, however, in China much fewer (9 percent vs. 38 percent in the Pew survey) respondents consider immigrants are a burden. This may reflect the influence of official discourses crediting the role of foreign expertise and internationalization in the country’s development.

https://thediplomat.com/2020/12/chinese ... ded-views/
#15172810
Rancid wrote:
I also wonder what is the path to citizenship.



I think it used to be possible, but doing it now would be crazy. Even if they allowed it, which I doubt.

There was a guy that lived in China for several years, he was originally from SA. He did videos on life in China, and you can learn a lot from them.




#15172938
late wrote:There was a guy that lived in China for several years, he was originally from SA. He did videos on life in China, and you can learn a lot from them.


His later videos are very negative. What did he expect given his job? Sure, China turned more liberal for a while, so I guess he was fooled by that.


I found the story of this guy from Ghana hilarious:

#15172943
late wrote:I think it used to be possible, but doing it now would be crazy. Even if they allowed it, which I doubt.

There was a guy that lived in China for several years, he was originally from SA. He did videos on life in China, and you can learn a lot from them.






The serpent used to (unironically) complain about dancing Chinese grandmas. His and cmilks motorbike import business got done for tax evasion. They also produced travel series in china sold it on amazon without reporting their income. They are seething because they have no way of moving their assets and money out of the country now.

I should know I watched his channel for years, and bought his travel series. His 180 about-face was instant, if genuine that stuff creeps in, his was one crime away from chinah bad. You can learn how to be a crook like them. Now they are using green screen footage agitating over China's rapid successes in multiple sectors and raking in the big falun gong bux. Just another web in the china uncensored youtube network. It is a real lesson in disingenuous charlatanism and US propaganda running rampant across western media.

There are many channels that do it properly, see asian boss, walk east or better yet when covid restrictions are lifted go visit the country for yourself and ask the chinese, many younger ones in the east coast speak english.
#15172970
Igor Antunov wrote:
The serpent used to (unironically) complain about dancing Chinese grandmas. His and cmilks motorbike import business got done for tax evasion. They also produced travel series in china sold it on amazon without reporting their income. They are seething because they have no way of moving their assets and money out of the country now.



I should know I watched his channel for years, and bought his travel series. His 180 about-face was instant, if genuine that stuff creeps in, his was one crime away from chinah bad. You can learn how to be a crook like them. Now they are using green screen footage agitating over China's rapid successes in multiple sectors and raking in the big falun gong bux. Just another web in the china uncensored youtube network. It is a real lesson in disingenuous charlatanism and US propaganda running rampant across western media.

There are many channels that do it properly, see asian boss, walk east or better yet when covid restrictions are lifted go visit the country for yourself and ask the chinese, many younger ones in the east coast speak english.



My take is you're too hard on him. In any case, all I am interested in is his older videos that talk about life in China. They explained a lot that I had not seen elsewhere. I really liked the one about weddings.

Which I like a lot better than Asian Boss. Asian Boss would be great for beginners, but I've known most of that for decades. I also notice they linked to a few serpentza videos.

I'll look at the others later, gotta get the groceries.

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