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Would you support forcing adults to get a vaccine for Covid19?

Yes
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46%
No
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54%
#15190639
Regardless, @colliric, what he said about mRNA vaccines was false, and I am not taking one person's word for something while dismissing factual studies by doctors and scientists. You are, however.

To quote the article I posted in my last post:

The biggest strike against the claim is simple: None of the vaccines currently authorized in the U.S. (Pfizer, Moderna, and Johnson & Johnson) even contain live COVID-19 or its spike proteins. Instead, the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines use messenger RNA (mRNA) to tell the body how to attack spike proteins by creating small amounts afterward. Medical researchers and doctors say these amounts are nearly insignificant and not unlike other existing vaccines.

In short, he's as much a good source as Andrew Wakefield is for autism/vaccines. You tried using him as a source, earlier. :knife:
#15190644
Fact is John McAfee invented McAfee antivirus, and therefore was indeed an expert in computer/cyber security, even if he invented it mainly because of his own extreme paranoia over the 1986 Brain virus. Same paranoia that stayed with him his entire life and continued to make him do interesting things all the way to his interesting early demise.

Sometimes people that invent/develop a technology or idea can become it's biggest critics when others take it and/or misuse it.

Happens all the time. Einstein regretted the fact his work contributed to the creation of the atomic bomb.
#15190679
@colliric Irrelevant. His claim that he did it alone is false and what he said about the vaccines was not factual. You haven't a leg to stand on.

You are trying to distract from the fact that he made false claims.
#15190711
BBC wrote:France suspends 3,000 unvaccinated health workers

About 3,000 health workers in France have been suspended because they have not been vaccinated against Covid-19.

A new rule, which came into force on Wednesday, made vaccination mandatory for the country's 2.7 million health, care home and fire service staff.

But French Health Minister Olivier Véran said on Thursday that "most of the suspensions are only temporary".

Many are now agreeing to get jabbed because "they see that the vaccination mandate is a reality", he said.

The rule applies to all doctors, nurses, office staff and volunteers.
[...]
France is not the only country to introduce a vaccine mandate.

Italy is also making an anti-Covid "green pass" mandatory for all employees from 15 October, meaning that workers who can't show proof of vaccination or a recent negative Covid test will be penalised.

"The government is ready to speed up on the 'green pass'... (for) not just the public sector, but private too," regional affairs minister Mariastella Gelmini said on Wednesday.

The green pass is already required for anyone in Italy who wants to eat indoors at restaurants, go to cinemas and sports stadiums, and take certain public transport or flights. It is also already mandatory for teachers.

In Greece, unvaccinated public and private sector employees have to have Covid tests once or twice a week, at their own expense. The rule came into force on 13 September.

And last week, the US made vaccines mandatory for federal government workers and contractors, and for all businesses with more than 100 employees. The rule affects covers about 100 million workers.

US President Joe Biden warned that if people didn't get vaccinated, they should be prepared to undergo weekly testing for Covid-19.

"This is not about freedom, or personal choice, it's about protecting yourself and those around you," he said as he unveiled the plan.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-58581682

If you want to interact with society you need to get vaccinated.
#15190718
Here in Alberta:

    Alberta imposing provincewide COVID-19 restrictions, vaccine passport system amid surge in cases, hospitalizations

    Declaring a state of public health emergency Wednesday evening, Premier Jason Kenney said the province could run out of intensive care beds and staff to manage COVID-19 patients within the next 10 days

    Alberta is enacting stronger provincewide public health restrictions and a vaccine passport system as the fourth wave of COVID-19 threatens to collapse the province’s health-care system.

    Declaring a state of public health emergency Wednesday evening, Premier Jason Kenney said the province could run out of intensive care beds and staff to manage COVID-19 patients within the next 10 days. The new rules are meant to make sure hospitals can remain open, prevent the disease from spreading in the community, and encourage people to get vaccinated.

    Kenney, who stated repeatedly for months the province would not bring in vaccine passports, said the decision is now “the only responsible choice we have” given how many unvaccinated people are ending up in hospital.

    “We are facing an emergency that requires immediate action,” Kenney said at a news conference.

    “We must deal with the reality that we are facing. We cannot push it away, morally, ethically and legally the protection of life must be our paramount concern.”

    All Albertans will be impacted by the new health measures, but those who haven’t received a COVID-19 vaccine will see their activities restricted the most.

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    Restrictions starting at 12:01 a.m. Thursday

    Albertans who are not vaccinated cannot socialize indoors with anyone outside their household beginning Thursday. Fully vaccinated people may only have social interactions indoors with one other household to a maximum of 10 people, all of which must also be vaccinated.

    Children under 12 don’t have any indoor gathering restrictions.

    Albertans who live alone can have two close contacts with distancing between them in indoor public settings.

    But anyone will still be allowed to gather outdoors with up to 200 people for a private gathering, and an unlimited number of people for a public event, provided everyone keeps two metres apart and there is no indoor component, apart from washrooms.

    …..(article continues)…..

This is almost certainly due to the fact that all the ICU nurses and doctors are all being overworked right now and this is due almost entirely to people not getting vaccinated.

Unvaccinated people have made my city a living nightmare.
#15190735
Godstud wrote:Regardless, @colliric, what he said about mRNA vaccines was false, and I am not taking one person's word for something while dismissing factual studies by doctors and scientists. You are, however.

To quote the article I posted in my last post:

The biggest strike against the claim is simple: None of the vaccines currently authorized in the U.S. (Pfizer, Moderna, and Johnson & Johnson) even contain live COVID-19 or its spike proteins. Instead, the Pfizer and Moderna vaccines use messenger RNA (mRNA) to tell the body how to attack spike proteins by creating small amounts afterward. Medical researchers and doctors say these amounts are nearly insignificant and not unlike other existing vaccines.

In short, he's as much a good source as Andrew Wakefield is for autism/vaccines. You tried using him as a source, earlier. :knife:

And in both instances @colliric has committed the authority fallacy .
Neither of them are specifically experts , as it pertains to mRNA vaccines , in particular .
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