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#15190546
ingliz wrote:Why do you tell only half the story?

Compared to the crimes, robberies, and excesses committed by the army [Wehrmacht], the SS and the police don't look all that bad.

— Reinhard Heydrich, chief of the Reich Security Main Office quoted in Bohler, Jochen (2009). Zbrodnie Wehrmachtu w Polsce [The Wehrmacht's Crimes in Poland)]. Znak. p. 260.


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commie, your pathetic Moscow´s whataboutism dont work on me , look at my avatar i know your kind

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'They raped every German female from eight to 80' | Books
https://www.theguardian.com › may › news.features11
1 May 2002 — The Soviet armies advancing into East Prussia in January 1945, in huge, ... The subject of the Red Army's mass rapes in Germany has been so ...
#15190549
litwin wrote:whataboutism

You reap what you sow.

Some would call it justice.

And if a man cause a blemish in his neighbour; as he hath done, so shall it be done to him; Breach for breach, eye for eye, tooth for tooth: as he hath caused a blemish in a man, so shall it be done to him again.

— Leviticus 24: 19-20


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#15190574
Igor Antunov wrote:And it is - one of the top 2 or 3 depending on how its military compares to China's. And this is never going to change as the nearest competitor for 3rd spot (India) is still struggling with sanitation.

Neoliberalism almost destroyed Russia. Don't let the door hit you on your way out, liberals.


ROFL. Liberals destroyed russia?
Sure, because liberals have so much political power in Russia.
Dummy.
Stupidity, corruption and authoritarianism destroyed Russia.
#15190585
ingliz wrote:You reap what you sow.

Some would call it justice.

And if a man cause a blemish in his neighbour; as he hath done, so shall it be done to him; Breach for breach, eye for eye, tooth for tooth: as he hath caused a blemish in a man, so shall it be done to him again.

— Leviticus 24: 19-20


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I wish people in the USA who find communism- Marxism appealing would actually look into even a little bit of history on the red terror !!
#15190587
Godstud wrote:Russia hasn't been a democracy since Putin assumed leadership.

Muscovy has never been a democracy .. never ...
#15190590
litwin wrote:the red terror !!

On ne saurait faire d'omelette sans casser des œufs.

— François de Charette, 'King of the Vendée', Royalist counter-revolutionary, executed 29 March 1796.


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#15190596
ingliz wrote:On ne saurait faire d'omelette sans casser des œufs.

— François de Charette, 'King of the Vendée', Royalist counter-revolutionary, executed 29 March 1796.


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its clear that ivan run out of arguments, do you agree that Moscow and Marxism have failed ?

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#15190646
litwin wrote:no Ivan Maskal , and your and your dirty commie hordes are the worst filthy pigs out there ...

"Rape during the Soviet occupation of Poland
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A 52-year-old victim of gang rape from Pińczów testified that two Soviet war veterans returning from Berlin told her that they fought for Poland for three years and thus had the right to have all Polish females. In Olkusz twelve rapes were recorded in two days. In Ostrów county, 33 rapes were recorded. The local Militia report stated that on June 25 near Kraków a husband and child were shot dead before a woman was raped in one village, while in another, a 4-year-old girl was sexually assaulted by two Soviet males.[3] According to statistics of the Polish Ministry of Health, there was a pandemic of sexually transmitted diseases across the country, affecting around 10% of the general population. In Masuria up to 50% of women were infected.[3]
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According to historian Wiesław Niesiobędzki, in East Prussia (Prusy Wschodnie) many ethnic German women, alarmed by the Nazis, fled ahead of the Soviet offensive, leaving the Polish women to endure rapes and witness the systematic burning of ransacked houses, for example in the town of Iława in late January 1945 under the Soviet Major Konstantinov. Eye witness Gertruda Buczkowska spoke of a labor camp near Wielka Żuława employing two hundred ethnic Belarusian women. In late January 1945 Buczkowska saw their bodies in the snow while fleeing with her mother and five German women of Hamburg who had joined them. The five Germans were found naked and dead in a basement of a house on Rybaków street in Iława a few days later.[11] "


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_duri ... _of_Poland


@litwin ;

Sounds like Fascistic bullshit to me, originating from Fascists, and repeated by Fascists like you (funny that you do not ever deny being Fascist when called on it!) for all these years, a kind of racist pornographic fantasy of people like you, who have rapine, plunder, and murder on your sick minds. So, Galician descendant of collaborators with the SS in fighting old people and children, Jews and Gypsies, (but crumbling when facing real Slavic men at arms), you are champing at the bit to have a ''Big Brother'' to fight Russia for you once more, while you bring up to the rear and murder Jews and Poles and defenseless civilians again. It will turn out very badly for you again. Best for your type to move to some place like Canada and maybe you can make that a Banderist hellhole like you're making the Ukraine now.
#15190676
annatar1914 wrote:@litwin ;

Sounds like ....


ivan bad news fro your thug folk, you know that Grishka Catafalque was a thief, looter (official , according your sovok´s persecutor office ) and sex- criminal [edit] , and this is the fact )) LOL
Grishka Catafalque: “I shouldn't have collected that useless junk :lol: and put it into some warehouse, assuming nobody needs it anymore.”
viewtopic.php?f=42&t=180992


edit: Thunderhawk
#15190678
litwin wrote:ivan bad news fro your thug folk, you know that Grishka Catafalque was a thief, looter (official , according your sovok´s persecutor office ) and sex- criminal much like your mother and fathers , and this is the fact )) LOL
Grishka Catafalque: “I shouldn't have collected that useless junk :lol: and put it into some warehouse, assuming nobody needs it anymore.”
viewtopic.php?f=42&t=180992


So what do you think about Ukranian Banderists participating with the SS to murder Jews, Gypsies, Communists and so on?

As an example from Estonia, we had the same issues but both sides managed to more or less come to terms that both sides committed atrocities and it is okay to remember the fallen ancestors irrelevant on which side they fought on. After all, we were stuck between two monsters and had relatively very few to say or do regarding the decisions. The situation is pretty similar in Ukraine.
#15190687
JohnRawls wrote:What is that even supposed to mean?

just one more MEME of olgino´s propagandacondoms , feel free use it
Know what a “propaganda-condom” is? | The Economist
https://www.economist.com › 2021/03/15 › know-what...
15 Mar 2021 — Many Russians are sick of disinformation and propaganda. It erupts from their TVs and floods social-media feeds. A derogatory nickname has ...
#15190691
litwin wrote:just one more MEME of olgino´s propagandacondoms , feel free use it
Know what a “propaganda-condom” is? | The Economist
https://www.economist.com › 2021/03/15 › know-what...
15 Mar 2021 — Many Russians are sick of disinformation and propaganda. It erupts from their TVs and floods social-media feeds. A derogatory nickname has ...


So that is not much of an answer to my question then. The problem is that any society that was stuck between the Soviets and Nazis during WW2 will have problems reconciling both camps since Nazis and their sympathizers committed outright genocide and communists and their sympathisers while not on the same level still committed genocide or mass deportations.

My question was, what is your opinion on reconciling both sides? How is it going with that in Ukraine? This is directly related to your pictures and memes and propaganda because you are not trying to reconcile both sides and just aggravating the other side pushing them further away from Ukraine basically. And this not just applies to the territories already occupied by Russia and its proxies but also places like Odessa and Kharkov and so on basically the southern and eastern parts of Ukraine.
#15190697
Patrickov wrote:@JohnRawls

I understand litwin's position. There's no ground of "reconciliation" as long as the bully is not brought to justice.


We are talking about people who are not in charge anymore. The eastern and southern parts of Ukraine are under Ukranian central governments control. So I am not sure what are you about here? Right now I was talking about people who might be either culturally or historically closer to Russian culture or the people in western Ukraine that might be historically closer to more right wing views lets say. This is a question of reconciling both sides so they can live peacefully, stabily and in a democratic society.
#15190726
Igor Antunov wrote:And it is - one of the top 2 or 3 depending on how its military compares to China's. And this is never going to change as the nearest competitor for 3rd spot (India) is still struggling with sanitation.

Neoliberalism almost destroyed Russia. Don't let the door hit you on your way out, liberals.


No it is not. Not even close. It has no cultural power, no economical power. Only has some military power and that might be enough to bully a couple of small countries in the area but as part of the world leadership and/or shaping economical and social policy, it is quite poor. The biggest asset of the US is not how many ICBM we have, it is how we have impacted the global culture and society.
#15190776
litwin wrote:ivan bad news fro your thug folk, you know that Grishka Catafalque was a thief, looter (official , according your sovok´s persecutor office ) and sex- criminal [edit] , and this is the fact )) LOL
Grishka Catafalque: “I shouldn't have collected that useless junk :lol: and put it into some warehouse, assuming nobody needs it anymore.”
viewtopic.php?f=42&t=180992


edit: Thunderhawk


@litwin ;

Sad. You're sad because your OUN Fascist bandits lost, not that they could ever win because to try to do that would have been to oppose your master Hitler, to whom you are even more attached ideologically now. Why be coy? Why not be open and admit that you want your Ukraine now to be the center of a worldwide Aryan revolution that will purge everyone you think of as sub-human? It's not like you have a conscience that tells you that your heroes are monsters and their teachings are lies and filth. So go ahead, admit your Fascism if you're not a coward.
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