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colliric wrote:polls predict a landslide Conservative Victory

You have supplied no proof of these polls.

You just dropped an opinion piece into the OP, and decided that there must be opinion polls to back up that opinion. And yet, you have not provided even one poll, let alone "polls."

Godstud wrote:Quebec goes its own way and has nothing to do with USA. Quebec is not it's own country, and never was. The referendums on Quebec sovereignty are done with. It's part of Canada, and always will be.

You have just revealed what a redneck, Fox News, type of Canadian you are with this quote. I always imagined that moving to the other side of the earth would make people more sophisticated and open-minded. But I was wrong about this. Thanks for making me realize something new.

You also show your support for Trudeau, explaining that "the other candidates" are low quality. My opinion is that all the candidates have been chosen by big money sponsors, and are thus, all shit. Pretty faces and tokens with connections to rich people.

The Green Party candidate is famous for defending Israel (not the environment), the NDP candidate is as socialist as Obama was, the conservatives and liberals have telegenic dummies who can read the teleprompter lines that corporations write for them.

The shitty candidates that Canada has are a result of the lack of interest that Canadians have in serious subjects, and the social ignorance that comes from staring at screens in suburbs.

The world has serious problems, and yet all we have to vote for are clowns who are whoring their faces out to corporations.
#15188936
:lol: @QatzelOk Coming from a sanctimonious francophone hate-monger, that's rich.

I've already said I probably will not vote for Trudeau(as I did not in the last election). How is that support? You're not every smart, are you?
#15188939
On this page, Godstud wrote:I've already said I probably will not vote for Trudeau(as I did not in the last election). How is that support? You're not every smart, are you?


Two pages ago, Godstud wrote:I shall be voting for Trudeau. The alternatives are terrible.


And you even added some trolling that time too:

You should stick to Australian politics, as your grasp of Canadian politics is horrendous.


Imagine trying to grasp "Canadian politics" by listening to you yammer on inconsistently and with great redneck prejudice against Canada's main minority - francophones. You sound like uneducated Americans yammering about "the black problem."
#15188941
My "trolling" was in reaction to Igor's comment about not wanting to talk about Canadian politics, in a thread about Canadian politics. You really should learn how to read before you comment.

As for my vote in this coming election, I am as of yet, undecided.

QatzelOk wrote:Imagine trying to grasp "Canadian politics" by listening to you yammer on inconsistently and with great redneck prejudice against Canada's main minority - francophones. You sound like uneducated Americans yammering about "the black problem."
Imagine listening to a fracophone who is bigoted against all anglophones(this has been ongoing for years), and asserts that because a person isn't a francophone that they don't know anything about Quebec. :roll:

I'm Canadian. I know about Quebec. I know about the referendums. You're simply making the argument that since you don't live in Quebec, you can't know about it. Nice logical fallacy but it's not an argument. It is only an attempt to stifle discussion.
#15188954
Godstud wrote:You're simply making the argument that since you don't live in Quebec, you can't know about it.

I would never argue that in a million years. I have claimed authority on subjects around the world, and would never allow myself to be shut down because I'm not "from a place."
So if I argued against you, it was because of what you actually wrote.

Most Canadians know virtually nothing about Canadian history, and I have learned to accept this, as well as the grief that history-black-out Canadians give me when I introduce a historical or political topic IRL. But when someone who is a history-black-out tries to describe his "feelings" about Quebec, the result will have been created by received propaganda. There were no other sources for the feelings, since there is no history there.

POLITICAL RELEVANCE

The anti-Quebec strain in anglo-Canada makes Canadian "federalism" really fake and decadent. There is nothing there, and the four major candidates mainly represent their own careers, and the words of their corporate sponsors.

Canadians just "go through the motions" of belonging to a country. There is no passion, or shared experience.

As the issues get more dire, the emptiness of our fake "political leaders" (especially at the federal level where it's a blank slate of polite handshaking and bribe arranging) gets more and more precarious and surreal.
#15189060
1. Incumbent candidate is promising more flea collars.

2. Opposition candidate is saying that better flea collars are needed, and that the incumbent's handling of "the flea crisis" was weak and opportunistic. (he is also sponsored by a different flea-collar producer than the incumbent)

3. Separatist candidate is saying that the Poodles need different rules, fewer flea collars, than the Dobermans.

4. Social Democrat candidate has promised more money for comfortable leashes.

5. The Green candidate is defending German Shepherds from being accused of biting smaller dogs. She has said nothing important regarding the environment, except that she likes chasing sticks for German Shepherds.

May the best dog win! And may this please his-her master!
#15189792
The CPC might have already lost the election.

Canada has three main parties:

1. the right wing Conservative Party of Canada (CPC)
2. the centrist Liberal Party (LP)
3, the New Democratic Party (NDP)

The NDP has never had a chance in federal elections and basically removes the left from the electorate.

This has helped the CPC because no leftist would vote for the LP, since they are basically politically correct capitalists.

This time the CPC has been courting the centre vote by supporting a ban on long guns and a few other measures that are traditionally part of the LP platform, and this probably will result in grabbing a few fence-sitters. This would be fine for them any other year, since the CPC is the only right wing party in tiwn and therefore enjoys a diverse voting base. But this year, Bernier is back with his People’s Party of Canada, a right wing populist party.

And these guys are picking up all the racist, gun toting, woman hating right wingers. The deplorables, if you wish.

They might end up splitting the right vote and putting Trudeau in power again.
#15189794
Pants-of-dog wrote:The NDP has never had a chance in federal elections and basically removes the left from the electorate.

They had a fantastic chance of winning the government under Jack Layton, but then he died, and has been replaced by two unconvincing tokens since then. Perhaps on purpose as a way of destroying anything non-capitalist.

the LP, since they are basically politically correct capitalists.

They follow media trends, and the media starts trends that help the CEOs.

This time the CPC has been courting the centre vote by supporting a ban on long guns and a few other measures that are traditionally part of the LP platform, and this probably will result in grabbing a few fence-sitters. This would be fine for them any other year, since the CPC is the only right wing party in tiwn and therefore enjoys a diverse voting base. But this year, Bernier is back with his People’s Party of Canada, a right wing populist party.

And these guys are picking up all the racist, gun toting, woman hating right wingers. The deplorables, if you wish.

They might end up splitting the right vote and putting Trudeau in power again.

And the above quote shows how dumb Canadian politics has become in my lifetime- much like USA politics - with all parties simply advertising various "policies" to see how these move the vote percentage. It's all marketing of soundbites, and none of the contestants is sincere or frank. They are all "reading their lines and hoping to win the competition."

Our politics is so cynican now that all we can do is collapse. There is no truth to our politicians, as they have all become corporate lobbyists who smile slickly and pretend to be playing chess in 8 dimensions, when in reality they are just reading the lines that their sponsors give them.

When federal politics gets this uninspiring and corporate-whoring, many Quebecios vote "Bloc" just to say fuck-off to Ottawa and its long history of corporate whoring.
#15191080
I find that the Greens and NDP parties, which ostensibly represent ecology and socialism, have been hollowed out by identity politics.

Jagmeet Singh's commitment to "equality and rational use of resources" is confounded by his massive identity politics hat.

Likewise, the Green candidate has used up all her political capital defending Israel, Jews, Hillary-Clinton-style feminism, and Black Power. All of these are possibly worthy causes, but ... how did she hijack the Green party to promote them?
#15191384
I was wrong about the PPC splitting the right vote. That party is apparently bombing.

CBC is calling it as a Liberal government. They are still not sure if it is going to be a minority government, but that is probably going to happen. The BQ is still doing well in Quebec. Liberals maintained their eastern Canada stronghold. The CPC kept the rural west. NDP gained a few seats.
#15191386
My friend(a candidate for the Maverick Party) is expected to take 8% of the vote from the Conservatives in his riding(district). That's a lot for a party that's less than a year old.

This doesn't bode well for the CPC, even though they are normally strong in Western Canada.

My prediction is another Liberal minority government.

This kind of confirms that the OP poster did not know what he was talking about. :)
#15191391
In terms of who gets to form the next government, the LP won.

The CPC won the popular vote again.

In terms of who gained the most seats, the NDP seem to be doing quite well. 4 or 5.

In terms of their share of the popular vote, the PPC tripled their vote share, and are now at about 4% or even 5%.
#15191453
I could have told you that it was a poor prediction.

Justin Trudeau's early election gamble backfires in Canada but he clings onto power
https://edition.cnn.com/2021/09/20/amer ... index.html

They retained 157 seats. Exactly the same number as last election. No change.
#15191472
That election cost 600 million dollars, forced people to the polls, and changed zilch.

Nice to be able to play with other people's lives and money.
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