B0ycey wrote:Regarding vaccine passports, its simply a rule against being unvaccinated. It doesn't really single out any group!
Why not use your own argument against you. The thing about freedom under a social contract is choice has consequences. By all means don't take the vaccine. But why should others suffer from your choices? Like the driving licence, if you are deemed a risk to society you do not have the option that has been restricted until you do what is asked of given that is the point of the licence to begin with.
Ok, so if we want to make these kind of analogies I think we need to define freedom a lot clearer than just using it as it is used in everyday language. I dont think we need to go down that road here though, but you should at least note that smoking is something you do and being vaccinated is something you are.
But anyway, if you dont even see that there are points on both sides of this argument, and understand what me (and others) mean when we say that we dont think the state should impose laws that requires you to be vaccinated to do this or that we seem to be pretty locked.
I got no problem in understanding your argument I think, and if you want I can steelman you. The question is, do you understand the people you disagree with, and can you steelman their position?
Laws will always exist, and nobody is making a case against laws a priori. But that doesnt mean we should just give up the freedom we do have, rather we should strive towards a more free society, not a less free. And again, for how long are you willing to support a vaccinepass? Is covid going away anytime soon, when we see new (and more dangerous) variations on the rise?
Dealing with covid is a marathon race, not a sprint. You need to maintain a society people are ok with, also in the long run, while you fight it.