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Istanbuller wrote:Trump officials were indicted over fake dossiers and memos in Mueller probe. What John Durham is doing is investigating Mueller probe.

I advise you people not to be too much partisan. It is not that hard to admit that you were all fooled into fraud and lies created by Democratic Party.

Why aren't you rather trolling Godstud if you still keep trolling?
#15192331
Istanbuller wrote:Trump officials were indicted over fake dossiers and memos in Mueller probe. What John Durham is doing is investigating Mueller probe.
:lol: No, they were not. That's false. People don't go to jail over fake things. Mueller was a Republican, FFS.

You're just another annoyed Trump-cultist who doesn't like to admit that Trump led a group full of traitors and criminals. :lol:

Istanbuller wrote:I advise you people not to be too much partisan.
The only person doing that is YOU. :lol: You want to ignore what the US justice system found, and the indictments of the criminals in Trump's corner.

Istanbuller wrote:What John Durham is doing is investigating Mueller probe.
That's fine. It's good to investigate things. Whether or not he actually finds anything might be another thing entirely. Somehow I think this will end up about as real as the claims of electoral fraud in AZ.

Istanbuller wrote:It is not that hard to admit that you were all fooled into fraud and lies created by Democratic Party.
:lol: You still won't admit you were fooled by Trump and his band of criminals. Hillary pushing Trump's collusion wasn't much of a leap, given how crooked his campaign was. US politics is amongst the dirtiest in the world.

The 'fraud and lies' accusations about Clinton, are pretty much just that. Taking advantage of the criminal behavior of the people surrounding Trump, it doesn't take a genius to take advantage of that in the media.
#15192337
Spreading lies about a truth doesn't mean the truth is a lie @Istanbuller. Even if it turns out that Clinton's team was behind lies on Russiangate, that doesn't mean Trumps team wasn't working with Russia. Clearly they were given we had convictions. The question was how deep this went and whether Trump knew about it. I suspect Trump did know about this actually but I doubt these interferences was anything more than social media propaganda and didn't really change the result.

Also Golden Showers tape. Steele claims to have evidence that it happened.
#15192340
B0ycey wrote:Spreading lies about a truth doesn't mean the truth is a lie @Istanbuller. Even if it turns out that Clinton's team was behind lies on Russiangate, that doesn't mean Trumps team wasn't working with Russia. Clearly they were given we had convictions. The question was how deep this went and whether Trump knew about it. I suspect Trump did know about this actually but I doubt these interferences was anything more than social media propaganda and didn't really change the result.

Also Golden Showers tape. Steele claims to have evidence that it happened.

And all those lies were created by Clinton team and Democratic Party officials.

How an anybody can be more evlilish than this? They ruined a former president's life. They stole his presidency times. There cannot be any excuse for this.
#15192344
Sorry @Istanbuller, but contrary to the fantasy world you live in, in this world lies are not evidence. Trump's buddies went to jail because the evidence was there to convict them. They didn't go to jail because of a Clinton lawyer lying. :lol:

Istanbuller wrote:They ruined a former president's life. They stole his presidency times.
You poor, poor Trump-cultist. Your face must be puffy from the tears flowing down your cheeks. Trump's a loser. Nothing was stolen.

Trump LOST the election and the results from the AZ investigation only backed this up even more.

Trump's a traitor who tried to undermine US democracy. As you're a big fan of Erdogan, I can see why you'd want that.
#15192345
Istanbuller wrote:And all those lies were created by Clinton team and Democratic Party officials.

How an anybody can be more evlilish than this? They ruined a former president's life. They stole his presidency times. There cannot be any excuse for this.


If Clintons team was involved, they didn't ruin Trumps life. It would have been to try and discredit his presidential bid which he ended up winning. Trump lost in 2020 not because of Russiagate which was largely forgotten about in 2020 but his failure in office. But to keep consistency for you, if anyone from Clintons team has broken the law here, like Trumps team with Mueller, then we can both agree that they should be accountable for that ok.
#15192349
Yes, @B0ycey. Trump lost in 2020 because he completely fucked the dog when it came to the pandemic.


No one is saying that if someone did something illegal that they shouldn't face justice for it, @Istanbuller. You just seem to be completely ignoring the criminals that Trump worked with, in your attempt to make Trump a victim. :*(

Istanbuller wrote:Ordinary people keep silent when they are proven to be wrong.
So why aren't you silent? Trump's cronies were criminals and the courts sentenced them accordingly. Lies didn't convict them. Evidence did.
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B0ycey wrote:But clearly there were people in Trumps team that met up with Russian delegates and the question is how much of an impact did this have in Trumps victory in 2016. My opinion is not a lot.

This is the heart of it for me. The main Russiagate "election interference" claim - i.e. that "the Russians" decisively swung the election for Trump - was always complete bullshit. And given America's own history of blatant interference in Russian elections (most recently in 2011, when Clinton, as secretary of state, loudly and publicly egged on anti-Putin protests during an election), it was comically hypocritical.
#15192424
@Istanbuller No, I won't be silent because you simply don't like what I have to say. You should STFU. :peace:


Lying isn't against the law, and you're probably one of those freedom of speech guys only when it's convenient, right?

Filing a false police report is illegal. Lying to the media, is not.

Facts:
Key Findings of the Mueller Report

The Special Counsel investigation uncovered extensive criminal activity
The investigation produced 37 indictments; seven guilty pleas or convictions; and compelling evidence that the president obstructed justice on multiple occasions. Mueller also uncovered and referred 14 criminal matters to other components of the Department of Justice.

Trump associates repeatedly lied to investigators about their contacts with Russians, and President Trump refused to answer questions about his efforts to impede federal proceedings and influence the testimony of witnesses.

A statement signed by over 1,000 former federal prosecutors concluded that if any other American engaged in the same efforts to impede federal proceedings the way Trump did, they would likely be indicted for multiple charges of obstruction of justice.


Russia engaged in extensive attacks on the U.S. election system in 2016
Russian interference in the 2016 election was “sweeping and systemic.”[1]

Major attack avenues included a social media “information warfare” campaign that “favored” candidate Trump[2] and the hacking of Clinton campaign-related databases and release of stolen materials through Russian-created entities and Wikileaks.[3]

Russia also targeted databases in many states related to administering elections gaining access to information for millions of registered voters.[4]


The investigation “identified numerous links between the Russian government and the Trump Campaign” and established that the Trump Campaign “showed interest in WikiLeaks's releases of documents and welcomed their potential to damage candidate Clinton”

see article for details

Special Counsel Mueller declined to exonerate President Trump and instead detailed multiple episodes in which he engaged in obstructive conduct

see article for details

Congress needs to continue investigating and assessing elements of the Mueller Report

The redactions of the Mueller Report appear to conceal the extent to which the Trump campaign had advance knowledge of the release of hacked emails by WikiLeaks. For instance, redactions conceal content of discussions that the Report states occurred between Trump, Cohen, and Manafort in July 2016 shortly after Wikileaks released hacked emails;[18] the Report further notes, “Trump told Gates that more releases of damaging information would be coming,” but redacts the contextual information around that statement.[19]

A second issue the Report does not examine is the fact that the President was involved in conduct that was the subject of a case the Special Counsel referred to the Southern District of New York – which the Report notes “ultimately led to the conviction of Cohen in the Southern District of New York for campaign-finance offenses related to payments he said he made at the direction of the President.”[20]

The Report also redacts in entirety its discussion of 12 of the 14 matters Mueller referred to other law enforcement authorities.[21]

Further, the Report details non-cooperation with the inquiry by the President, including refusing requests by the Special Counsel for an interview; providing written responses that the Office of the Special Counsel considered “incomplete” and “imprecise” and that involved the President stating on “more than 30 occasions that he ‘does not recall’ or ‘remember’ or ‘have an independent recollection.’”[22]

https://www.acslaw.org/projects/the-pre ... er-report/

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Sure, maybe the Clinton campaign yelled, "Fire!", but where there was smoke there turned out to be a conflagration. The only problem is that they couldn't prove that Trump started the fire, so now Trumpanzees like you @Istanbuller are looking for anything, in desperation, to draw attention away from your loser of an idol. :knife:
#15192675
Porn star Stormy Daniels claims that Trump’s penis was small and shaped like a mushroom.

Penisgate will surely disillusion the much acclaimed "base" of our bone spur war hero …….. :lol: That Donald had a tiny penis was common knowledge but the mushroom part ……. you can't make that shit up.
#15192678
Heisenberg wrote:
i.e. that "the Russians" decisively swung the election for Trump



I have no doubt you could find some idiot saying that, there is no shortage of idiots.

But there were several factors. However if having Putin pulling your pants down and give you a proper rogering doesn't bother you; what would.
#15192681
The more important thing is that it wasn't only Russia that supported Trump, which was in their best interest to do anyway. The Saudis and the Israelis also did the same, and the Obamas also didn't mind if he defeated the Clintons. In my opinion the Clintons were also involved because they also didn't mind if Trump won the GOP primaries, and there's the liberal MSM to blame as well for giving him so much free airtime. So we should thank them all for Trump, although who knows if the Clintons had been better than him, as they're also corrupted as fuck and could have held on to power a lot more effectively than Trump could ever have.

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