Unthinking Majority wrote:Rogan said he got it from a doctor, on the advice from multiple doctors, not a vet. There's no evidence to say he took the dose meant for animals rather than the human dosage.
I have no doubt that he took the stuff for humans. A person with his resources is not likely to be pulling to the curb of Petsmart (or wherever you can buy that stuff) to buy horse ivermectin. On the other hand, I am sure that with the right contacts/money he can find a doctor that would prescribe him cactus juice enemas for COVID if that is what he is requesting.
I don't watch CNN all the time, so I don't know what words were used and/or what in particular pissed off this guy that CNN said. The context is important. Saying "podcast host takes horse pills" is different from "podcast host takes medication that is also used for horse parasites". And again, the reporters don't have medical training so they might not necessarily know the difference, etc.
However, at the end of the day.... the point is... If you don't take what is ACTUALLY recommended by the scientific community. If you are constantly introducing doubts, and or raising the posibility of conspiracy theories (even if he does not positively endorses them), if you go out of your way to get something that is NOT APPROVED but not just that, the FDA has issued WARNINGS againsts is use... and then you brag about it on media... I don't think you have the moral authority to complain when CNN screws up and miss reports "podcast host takes horse pills" vs "podcast host takes meds that have also been used to treat parasites on horses". You simply don't have much to stand on. Again. Nothingburger.
Well i'm not letting Rogan totally off the hook either. He should have just got the vaccine. But there's many trial studies showing ivermectin is effective against COVID, and there's no evidence for or against that Rogan was or wasn't helped by the drug. If the trials keep showing promising results we could see it approved for some kind of COVID use by the FDA and/or WHO within the next year or so, possibly sooner.
Please do link those studies.
Here is a meta-analysis (analysis of multiple ramdomized controlled trials).https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articl ... 015017.pdf
And the conclusion of the authors:
Based on the current very low- to low-certainty evidence, we are uncertain about the efficacy and safety of ivermectin used to treat or prevent COVID-19. The completed studies are small and few are considered high quality. Several studies are underway that may produce clearer answers in review updates. Overall, the reliable evidence available does not support the use ivermectin for treatment or prevention of COVID-19 outside of well-designed randomized trials.
Uptodate is a resource used worldwide by physicians, the articles are edited by the experts of their fields and everything there have multiple sources to studies... they don't recomend its use.
FDA don't recommend its use.
It is bonkers that we are still discussing this nonsense. At this point in time, there is ZERO evidence to support its use for COVID 19. ZERO. ZIP. Nothing. A doctor prescribing this nonsense to a patient with the current available data is committing malpractice. A doctor that prescribes amphetamines for weight loss to an obese patient that is not exercising or dieting is committing malpractice. Likewise, a doctor prescribing ivermectin for a patient that is not vaccinated is also a form of malpractice....
so its not like he was doing himself harm by taking it.
Safe is a relative term. In medicine we use risks vs benefits. There is NO drug that does not have risks. There is no drug that is perfectly safe. Some of the most benign drugs that I know of... tylenol? You can have fulminant liver damage and need urgent transplant/die if you take too much. Aspirin.... you can have bleedings, including ulcers in your stomach with significant bleedings, you can have hemorrhagic strokes and die. Anti-acid medications such as nexium can cause bone mineral loss and osteoporosis, they can also kidney damage. Tums overdose can cause severe hypercalcemia that can lead to seizures and death. Vitamns... Vitamin A toxicity can make your brain swell, Vitamin D toxicity can make you re-absorb lots of calcium and cause hypercalcemia which can lead to nausea, vomiting, dehydration, altered consciousness, seizures, death.
Doctors do their best to minimize patients to drugs of any kind. We should always asks ourselves "Why am I prescribing this" rather than "Why not prescribe this". The default answer should be to NOT prescribe something unless you are expecting the BENEFITS to outweigh the risks. Since all meds have risks... the MINIMUM that a medication should have to justify its prescriptioin is some expectation of benefit.
There is no expectation of the benefit of using Ivermectin for COVID 19.
CNN can warn others about his methods not being FDA approved (rightfully so), but CNN didn't just do that, they purposefully manipulated the narrative.
Again, context do matter. This is being reported with the background of the FDA announcing that people are going nuts putting animal shit in their bodies and poison control getting increasing calls. I have not seen every possible clip in which CNN has addressed the issue, nor do I care for it because I think it is largely inconsequential for what I have said earlier.
These are the kinds of lies and manipulation that make Trump and his supporters distrust the media and call CNN "fake news".