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Pants-of-dog wrote:So one of the things that people seem to not understand is that cultural appropriation can take many forms.
Even the dreadlock example is clearly different from the moccasin example.
The company in the OP was using misrepresentation as way of defrauding customers and making financial gain. This type of economic activity is clearly a problem and even my critics in this thread can see it.
An interesting aspect of this debate is the fact that people seem to ignore racism and settler colonialism and how this interacts with this economic activity.
So when it comes to looking at something like wearing dreadlocks or headdresses or Maori facial tattoos, there is no clear economic problem, so I assume many people would not see any of this as a problem at all. Or more correctly, they themselves would not see the problem and probably assume there is not one.
Elisa Sobo, Michael C. Lambert and Valerie Lambert wrote:American Indian identity is a political identity based on citizenship in an Indigenous nation whose sovereignty has been acknowledged by the U.S. government. Sovereign Indigenous nations, and only these nations have the authority to determine who is and is not a citizen, and hence who is and is not an American Indian or Alaska Native.
Notice how these Amerindians demand total and absolute subjection and obedience to the US Federal government, when its suits them. Notice how in the leftie world mean and women, gender is a just a social construct, with no biological basis in reality, yet race is immutable.
late wrote:Jeans were invented in America...
Stop spreading lies wrote:
Denim fabric has its origins in France. This nation, as you may know, is considered to be one of the fashion capitals of the world, so it’s no surprise that one of the most significant clothing trends of the past century came from there.
Initially, denim began life as a fabric known as "serge de Nimes." As keen-eyed readers will notice, ‘de Nimes’ bears a resemblance to denim, which is what this fabric would eventually come to be known as. It was created to be a long-lasting and robust fabric that was initially conceived in Italy. This material was known as ‘jean’ or ‘jeane,’ and it became the initial blueprint for Levi jeans.
Pants-of-dog wrote:An interesting aspect of this debate is the fact that people seem to ignore racism and settler colonialism and how this interacts with this economic activity.
Denim fabric has its origins in France.
That entire post seems based in your misunderstandings. I have already tried to point out all the places and ways you have misunderstood, but you seem to be making the same errors of understanding.
Until you start to address your own confusion, it seems unproductive to try to clarify all your mistakes again.
It is not clear if white people using dreadlocks is an example of cultural appropriation.
With the moccasins, a person could look at the shoe and see which specific Indigenous culture is being copied, or look at the words of the company themselves if they made a claim like “authentic Native American”.
I would not argue that dreadlocks are part of the culture of most black US citizens, since most do not and would not wear dreadlocks because of the stigma associated with untidy hair on black people.
Pants-of-dog wrote:Not mine.
I get my mocs from here:
Please write it out in one or two simple and clear sentences. Thank you.
XogGyux wrote:Really? What’s his name?
Pants-of-dog wrote:I assume you know his name since you already mentioned it.
Now, how does his name support of contradict his claim of being Indigenous?
Pants-of-dog wrote:For those who think cultural appropriation does not exist, how would you describe the different names for athletic teams that have recently been ditched?
XogGyux wrote:You mean the blue eyed white guy that might catch skin cancer if exposed to moonlight without useing sunscreen whose first name is Sean and last name is MacCormick? I would be surprised if this guy has more native American DNA than Elizabeth warren.
Look who is interested now in having offtopic conversations... You made a post around 9am, I read it at noon (my time), I have been thinking how to reply the whole afternoon during my off time at work. Finally, at 8pm, I am done working, so I sit down after dinner and I reasearch a little bit, takes me about 30mins to do some searches and to post my reply.
Less than 15 mins later (11 mins total) you make a very rude post, reinforcing the same shit that you have been saying all along, ignoring my points and overall condescending. You don't seem to be interested in having a legitimate discussion.
I didn't know anything about this company that you like so much. I don't know anything about fashion, the cloth I buy, is kirkland branded from costco and whatever is not from there have been stuff that family and friend have gifted me. I didn't know shit about this brand, all I know is what I googled in the last couple of hours. It is certainly not my intention to attack the company, nor its leadership. As I have said before, I do not subscribe to a "cultural apppropriation nonsense". However, the very first page that popup up on my search is from this article:
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba ... -1.3197893
Now... look at the pictures of this article:
Do you see a trend? The only white people pictured are the owner and rich white people using the product. The only pictured people doing manual labor are brown people of (presumably) native American descent.
If this does not conjure pictures of plantation owner taking advantage of the sweat and work of slaves for the benefit of other rich white people...
Like I have said earlier. Don't take this any sort of disapproval by me of this company. I admit I know little to nothing about this company. Just showing you how easy is to paint a narrative with a little bit of googling. This is the company that you endorsed on your first post. How can I trust your judgment in what constitutes (or not) cultural appropriation?
XogGyux wrote:Now you are just trolling.
Pants-of-dog wrote:So how is the name Washington Redskins not cultural appropriation?
Yes, it is also offensive, but something can be offensive and also be cultural appropriation.
So if no one can explain why it is not cultural appropriation, it seems to fit the definition.
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