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#15194922
Marxist bandits started WW2 and Cold War in 1920. Lenin about taking Red Army to Germany, Poland and England, etc.



"Even more importantly, for the first time, Lenin acknowledged that the Red Army

offensive into Poland in July 1920 aimed not only at the sovietisation of Poland, but also at

taking the military campaign further westwards, in particular, to Germany and England.


This intention was unknown to earlier historians working on the subject. Lenin believed

that the Red Army offensive would ignite the spark of revolution across Europe, as it

advanced, drawing fresh recruits into its ranks, as it had during the Russian Civil War. In

this way, the Polish-Soviet War could be used as the initial engagement in a war against

the capitalist Allied states, for the overthrow of the Versailles settlement, admitting,

This was a most important turning point not only in the politics of Soviet

Russia but also in world politics... now we said we have become stronger,

and we will respond with a counterattack to each of your attempts at

attack... you risk that each of your attacks will expand the territory of the

Soviet Republic."


https://theses.gla.ac.uk/663/1/2009crollphd.pdf



any comment on this ?
#15194923
litwin wrote:Marxist bandits started WW2 and Cold War in 1920. Lenin about taking Red Army to Germany, Poland and England, etc.



"Even more importantly, for the first time, Lenin acknowledged that the Red Army

offensive into Poland in July 1920 aimed not only at the sovietisation of Poland, but also at

taking the military campaign further westwards, in particular, to Germany and England.


This intention was unknown to earlier historians working on the subject. Lenin believed

that the Red Army offensive would ignite the spark of revolution across Europe, as it

advanced, drawing fresh recruits into its ranks, as it had during the Russian Civil War. In

this way, the Polish-Soviet War could be used as the initial engagement in a war against

the capitalist Allied states, for the overthrow of the Versailles settlement, admitting,

This was a most important turning point not only in the politics of Soviet

Russia but also in world politics... now we said we have become stronger,

and we will respond with a counterattack to each of your attempts at

attack... you risk that each of your attacks will expand the territory of the

Soviet Republic."


https://theses.gla.ac.uk/663/1/2009crollphd.pdf



any comment on this ?


And when did various western forces appear in Russia? Unrelated?
#15194929
no, the dope was freemasonic the rest were just regular junkies! some more some less!

it was freemasonic agenda for achieving quick nwo and finalization of their enlightenment "new atlantis" dream tho engaged through russian soil so it wouldnt fireback if the experiment went out of tracks as it did after lenins death, after all lenin was their stooge but without him ussr evolved in own authentic path, when confronted with this reality freemasons pushed for nsdap and nazi rebranding of the same experiment with hope at least like that to be paused the eastern communist evolution they've conceived! what is interesting tho as time goes by more and more informations will unravel in this respect, among them that lenin was freemason too! interesting tho is to find out for real how freemasons and zionists were alighned in this utopian nwo strive through all past century, what as postrevisionitic stance I am trying to elaborate it here and there [1][1] tho farfetched theory for most of the mainstreamly lobotomized historians ....
#15194930
Odiseizam wrote:
no, the dope was freemasonic



This isn't the conspiracy forum..

I've read a few books trying to explain the genesis of WW2. I tend to view economics as one of the primary drivers of history. That's true this time as well.

I also think you can't start with the Treaty of Versaille, or any proximate cause. The history of Europe, the centuries of war and culture clashes are kinda important to understanding how we came to have 2 World Wars.

But ya have to start somewhere.. So I suggest starting here:

"It is commonly believed that the Great Depression that began in 1929 resulted from a confluence of events beyond any one person's or government's control. In fact, as Liaquat Ahamed reveals, it was the decisions made by a small number of central bankers that were the primary cause of that economic meltdown, the effects of which set the stage for World War II and reverberated for decades. As we continue to grapple with economic turmoil, Lords of Finance is a potent reminder of the enormous impact that the decisions of central bankers can have, their fallibility, and the terrible human consequences that can result when they are wrong."


https://www.amazon.com/Lords-Finance-Bankers-Broke-World/dp/0143116800/ref=asc_df_0143116800/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=312143020546&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=1476818161577410558&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9002577&hvtargid=pla-453899281570&psc=1
#15194931
Igor Antunov wrote:This was in response to direct western royalist intervention in the Russian civil war. The Bolsheviks wanted payback. This belongs in history forum section.

TV.ru/Moscow poodles lie, read your idols Marx - Koba(sralin)-Lenin more :
"World revolution is the Marxist concept of overthrowing capitalism in all countries through the conscious revolutionary action of the organized working class."
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[URL unfurl="true"]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_revolution[/URL]

#15194939
late wrote:This isn't the conspiracy forum..
..
So I suggest starting here:
..
https://www.amazon.com/Lords-Finance-Bankers-Broke-World/dp/0143116800


no whole political history is conspiracy ... now who is plotting, hm if I say all it would be wrong, if I say some also that is not true, its kind of trending ideological grip on societies, sometimes strongly some loosely, which on west is far long shaped by the same neopagan momentum for quite some time, certainly many will accuse particular elites as prime pivot but behind the scenes are powers that cant be reached even by metaphysical means, defacto most of the tyrants (aristocratic economical or political) were possessed by some entity i.e. with their reckless diving in lusts (hedonistic mammonistic or egoistic) opened door for possession from above, and alone this points to my claim that there is huge room particular elites to construct particular cults which in case of freemasonry is neopagan syncretism of various early aegean cults, the sturdiest question is who is who in their hierarchy, I'll say rosencrucianism is the tip of the iceberg where banksters and western royal clans along some mystics thrive, while freemasonry is public arm for recruiting obedient pawns as hidden or public exponents of their euroatlantic agenda, which as such started way earlier than the last century [1][1] altho got standardized in the beginning of the last one i.e. all factions were pushed to unity either by bribe or war, this said defacto all past world wars and big events are part of the same process that as Christians we are Warned how should end ...

trying to simplify the events like You as circumstantial economic reflections is same as saying broilers life depends solely on the feeder, its too complex world (spiritual and physical) that we live in so we would narrow our mind on accidental existence, thus saying that economy is the prime reason is wrong by all means, for sure one of the prime tools for achieving particular social and political goal but not prime reason, prime one is always ideology, and as could be seen from the historum'thread in the first footnote of my previous post I am deconstructing nationalism as tool too with function for overtaking of earlier vatican grip on west, till through world wars there was agenda for introducing of their neopagan nwo, almost too good to be true, and for sure they dream but the dream aside that is not real but also is futile yet they still hope they will achieve that goal, luckily we know that is just waiting in vain for the inevitable their Final Judgment ...
#15194947
Odiseizam wrote:
no whole political history is conspiracy...



Yeah, I don't see what you said as history.

So let me be blunt, economics has been a driver in history for centuries. While ideology is important, so is the history of conflict that preceded WW2.

People make decisions based on limited information. If Stalin knew Hitler would wind up invading... People are just not as smart as you seem to think.

One way of looking at the runup to WW2 is a long series of mistakes. Which is accurate enough, but doesn't incorporate the other things I've already mentioned. IOW, it's a complicated mess, but the thing that jumps out at you is not all that conspiracy stuff, it's the constant screwups.
#15194977
when we speak for global events if there is no ideology there is no will for endurance, the economic reasons can be motivation for sure but per'se is geostrategy after west has built up wealth beyond all means in romanticism when the prime obstacle for the neopagan elites became vatican and Catholic Christianity or day after Orthodox Christianity and Russia but also Islam and Ottoman Empire ... after this again popped up ideological clash but with eastern atheism etc. etc. so to speak elites always need excuse for patriotism if not else eg. now on west the "american dream" even tho the same is illusion aside the fact that the same is used for keeping the masses alert while in background the true agendas of the utopian euroatlantic determinists boil up, in the end still one of the prime tools (tho not reason) is economic stability which tho can be also secured by small or proxy wars, but global one, c'mone, its even naively obvious that clash of civilizations occur coz envy or fear if not pride, again surely lust for exploitation and resources will be reward but when titans clash that is not prime reason ...

anyway, we got too offtopic, but probably in context of clarification for my claim even this chit chat is useful ...
#15195017
pugsville wrote:In no way answers my question, When did various western forces interne in the Russian Civil War?


@pugsville ;

From the very beginning of the Russian Civil War, foreign armies (about 14 nations, including the United States) occupied Russian territory in an attempt to support the Whites during that conflict. What they did instead is rally the common people against the Whites. These nations, had the Whites ''won'', would have carved up Russia, which would have essentially ceased to exist. And that would have made our OP resident Banderist very happy :roll:
#15195040
annatar1914 wrote:@pugsville ;

From the very beginning of the Russian Civil War....

wrong term, the right one is Bolshevik barbarian Jihad , when your horde attacked the independent states : Finland, Belarus , Ukraine, Estonia, etc.

#15195041
pugsville wrote:In no way answers my question, When did various western forces interne in the Russian Civil War?

it was not any "russia" around in 1917 , it died much like Ottoman and many other empires in the same time

this is the map of euro - asia in 1918

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#15195074
pugsville wrote:evasion and avoidance. Did Western nations send troops into Russia before the Russians sent troops out ?

NO, cos Moscow´s ulus ( tsarv´s ulus) DIDN`T exist at that time, it ended in 1917 , i posted the map , are you a blind or what ? the liberal order supported Baltic states , Finland, Caucasian states from Moscow barbaric Marxist aggression, Japan supported Siberian natives, much like UN /NATO do today , whats wrong with this ?
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#15195151
litwin wrote:wrong term, the right one is Bolshevik barbarian Jihad , when your horde attacked the independent states : Finland, Belarus , Ukraine, Estonia, etc.



@litwin ,

I've got no great love for atheistical God-Fighting Bolsheviks. But only pity and for the Unia and for Banderists (usually the same people from Galicia!) who believe the most absurd and hateful things about your brothers...
#15195193
annatar1914 wrote:@litwin ,

I've got no great love for atheistical God-Fighting Bolsheviks. ....

Ivan , your narrative is pure schizophrenia , do you understand it ? you have Grishka Catafalque (Butcher) on your avatar, who was not just a thief, polygamist , killer but a big Bolshevik kingpin, and you say " no great love for atheistical God-Fighting Bolsheviks" , its just schizophrenia ....
#15195304
litwin wrote:Ivan , your narrative is pure schizophrenia , do you understand it ? you have Grishka Catafalque (Butcher) on your avatar, who was not just a thief, polygamist , killer but a big Bolshevik kingpin, and you say " no great love for atheistical God-Fighting Bolsheviks" , its just schizophrenia ....



@litwin ;

I do not know about the man's personal life, which is between him and God, nor is he a ''hero'' to me. What I do know is that he helped crush the Fascists, whatever his possible or even probable faults. Look at some of your heroes and you'll see some rather problematic personal traits I'm sure. But since I think it's important to have a proper moral grounding when discussing these matters, and no wish to cause to scandal to bring you a moment to stumble perhaps on my sinful account, I'll see what I can find to replace my Avatar.
#15195322
annatar1914 wrote:@litwin ;

I do not know about the man's personal life, which is between him and God, nor is he a ''hero'' to me. What I do know is that he helped crush the Fascists, whatever his possible or even probable faults. Look at some of your heroes and you'll see some rather problematic personal traits I'm sure. But since I think it's important to have a proper moral grounding when discussing these matters, and no wish to cause to scandal to bring you a moment to stumble perhaps on my sinful account, I'll see what I can find to replace my Avatar.



German National - Socialists were crushed by outstretched logistics , and 2 fronts long war . Grishka the Butcher killed more own solders (Moscow slaves) than Germans. I recommend you to read M. Solonin its free

http://www.solonin.org/en

my heroes are much cleaner than G. the Butcher for sure

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