Yeah, I'm really
late this time, busy week--busy enough that I forgot to grab the vaccination figures.
annatar1914 wrote:This tells me you know nothing of true economies in the real world (as Libertarians often are too ideological about it, prefer the Austrian school, etc...), nor of ''who gets to make the decision''
Actually, economics is one of the subjects I find more interesting, enough that I've purchased eight of the Great Courses lecture series on the subject.
And on that last point, why is that so? To quote Carl Schmidt; ''Sovereign is he who decides 'the exception'''. In the Libertarian fantasy, the individual atomized man of society is Sovereign. This cannot be, or one would have no society to speak of at all, (and for the Christian, God Himself is Sovereign.) There's always someone above you or below you, to be responsible for, or responsible to.
Avoid that reality at your peril.
Again, a confusion of ideas, with things being an extension of one's individual will via ''Private Property'', an extension of one's alleged ''self-ownership'' Automobiles, when used properly, will attain the objective of taking one where one needs to go. A Pandemic goes where it will, and cannot ever be made an extension of one's will. For the Hyper-Individualist/Libertarian, it's always about total control over one's immediate surroundings, and disease throws a monkey wrench into that idea, doesn't it?
You seem to be under the misapprehension that I am a Libertarian. I used to be, before I finished growing up. So do you want to consider the actual points I made, rather than tilting at that strawman? How many children need to die of a particular disease in a given year for all the restrictions we've seen the Left demand we impose on schools? Looking at the flu, it's higher than ~50,000. How many people need to die on our streets and highways before we ban private ownership of cars? It's greater than ~40,000.
Potemkin wrote:This is the crux of what I think is the problem with the people who think Covid-19 is a hoax, or that vaccines are a conspiracy, or that having to wear a mask in public is an intolerable violation of their personal rights. The entire pandemic challenges their sense of themselves as sovereign individuals existing in splendid isolation who are in complete control of their immediate surroundings. This creates such cognitive dissonance within them that in order to maintain that sense of self, they must deny reality. The pandemic must be a hoax, the vaccines must be a conspiracy. They just want the whole pandemic, and the necessary response to it, to just go away. But, of course, it won't. In fact, by behaving in this way, they are actually ensuring that it won't go away, by making it more likely that they and others will catch the disease, more likely that they will spread it, and more likely that they will die of it. In other words, they've lost their fucking minds.
How much of that applies to the group that, last I heard, New York is having the hardest time getting inoculated--young Blacks? For that matter, there's the ones that look at how dangerous the Wuhan virus is to them (not much, if they're healthy and below retirement age) or their children (even less), consider all the elites telling them they need to mask up but can't be bothered to mask up themselves (the most recent I've heard, Michigan's Governor Whitmer was recently photographed
violating mask rules at a D.C. bar). And then there's how the CDC has essentially blown off any consideration of natural immunity when making its "suggestions." And problems like how in Ireland (91% inoculated) cases are going up, especially in Waterford County--the county with the highest inoculation rate of the country (99.7%!). I had no problem getting inoculated when it was offered to me--but that was my decision, not forced on me by the State.
Potemkin wrote:"I'm as serious as cancer when I say that rhythm is a dancer."
Covid-19 has a mortality rate of between 2% and 3% of people infected. Compare this with, say, the Black Death in medieval Europe, which had a fatality rate of between 30% and 50% of people infected.
So no, Covid-19 is not a 'serious' disease at all, if you compare it with other historical pandemics.
Yes, if the Wuhan virus had a death rate equal to the Black Death, or even the Spanish Flu (proportionately, it would be around two million today), and was less discriminate in who it targeted, you'd probably see even hardcore Libertarians agreeing with state-mandated restrictions, etc. After all, one of the tenets of Libertarian philosophy is that its principles apply to normal
annatar1914 wrote:Implicit in any vote is the unwritten agreement among the people, including those who don't vote at all, that they will abide by the results of the majority votes cast. This is (rightfully or wrongfully) the ''Popular will of the whole people'' in action.
Likewise, implicit in the concept of constitutional rights and supermajority requirements is the principle that some things should not
be determined by majority rule. Of course, just what those things are, is properly determined by the Will of the People (defined by supermajority vote).
Necessity is the plea for every infringement of human freedom. It is the argument of tyrants; it is the creed of slaves.