Re: Men see the lost cause of dating (girls don't like men) will it actully cause society to fall apart?
Well apparently it will. I sincerely believe that we are teaching young girls to intensely dislike men. We have declared war on romance. I totally get why some men are just giving up on the whole process. Porn offers a wonderful substitute for some cowering font of fear or camouflage-wearing propounder of misandry.
But these women, though loud, are not common. Thank god. Anna said:
What woman would want to marry a man who doesn't want to work unless his dating life is meeting his expectations, or the kind of man who doesn't realize the share women have always had in holding society together?
They have held society together. Like it or not women today = family. Oh sure there are some cute gay male families. Good for them. But the numbers speak for themselves. As @ingliz said, over 70% of people "have been" married. So it is still the dominant thing and it is usually very traditional.
As for the working issue, that has to do with the fact that the GINI index is in the ozone and one average worker cannot support himself/herself not to mention a family. The fact is that women work because they have to work. That horse has already left the barn and modern conservatism, which ironically touts the importance of "traditional values" does not care enough about this to do something about men who work hard but cannot even dream of supporting a family on his pay.
So add to this load of bricks on the heads of men, someone claiming that all women should be frightened of all men because she would not know if the man was going to rape them. Absurd.
Then we devolved, as these discussions do to the wide variety of things we refer to as sexual assault today. Which, by the way, in some states includes whistling at women. Plays old Harry with the statistics.
Now we are trying to decide whether women have "it" better than they did "before" and we are discussing colonial laws and customs.
So the answer to the initial question is "yes" many men do see diminishing returns when evaluating traditional dating AND marriage. And they are not wrong to make the calculation.
There is an old saying, "men of quality are not afraid of women of equality". This still holds true. Just. But if we keep going down the road of vilifying men this will continue to change. If we convince men that they are powerless in the face of 40 year old allegations, true or not, this will not get any better. Oh we might fix the issue of boorish behavior, outlaw whistling and convince women that they need to arm themselves to go to the grocery store but society will not be served by this.
Already we are seeing what happens when the pendulum swings too far. Just look at the Taliban. Is this impossible in the US? Could there ever be that much male push back here? There already is. We are just ignoring the right wing websites. Men ARE dangerous. Not in the say Snapdragon wants us to believe. They are dangerous because they are inclined to act when the perceive danger to their country, religion and way of life. One thing is sure. Feminism needs to be very careful that it does not continue into the realm of feminine supremacy. That will not go well. Or on for long.
@Pants-of-dog let me know when you have evidence or strong logic supporting the claim that date rape is less of a problem now than in 1820.
Who gives a shit? This is just one of your usual attempts at misdirection. I will ignore the stupid question.