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By wat0n
#15201013
B0ycey wrote:[

Actually, apart from San Francisco, no, no they weren't. However talking about the Spanish Flu, the whole episode lasted two years and had 10 times more deaths in the same period. I guess sometimes we need to have perspective.

I don't know whether or not lockdowns would have saved any more lives a century ago or whether they would do what seems to be the case today and merely delayed those deaths. But what I do know is if they didn't let the virus rip, it would have been going on for far longer than two years and the weaken mutation may have never came about. Also are you aware the deadly variant of the Spanish flu was due to the isolation of the trenches. How ironic.


Well, the Spanish flu actually originated in Kansas and my understanding is that even those first cases were very virulent.

As for restrictions, SF wasn't the only city to implement those. They are very similar to what was done last year:

https://www.pnas.org/content/104/18/7582
https://www.pnas.org/content/104/18/7588
By B0ycey
#15201017
wat0n wrote:Well, the Spanish flu actually originated in Kansas and my understanding is that even those first cases were very virulent.

As for restrictions, SF wasn't the only city to implement those. They are very similar to what was done last year:


Well SF wasn't a success. And neither was anywhere else. Unless success is flattening the curve.

And no, the Spanish Flu didn't turn up from the first recorded account...

https://www.passporthealthusa.com/2020/04/1918-spanish-flu-links-to-world-war-i/

...It most likely came from the trenches, where the sick with the deadly variant were transported to hospitals to spread the disease and the fit with the weaken flu fought on.
By wat0n
#15201019
B0ycey wrote:Well SF wasn't a success. And neither was anywhere else. Unless success is flattening the curve.

And no, the Spanish Flu didn't turn up from the first recorded account...

https://www.passporthealthusa.com/2020/04/1918-spanish-flu-links-to-world-war-i/

...It most likely came from the trenches, where the sick with the deadly variant were transported to hospitals to spread the disease and the fit with the weaken flu fought on.


My understanding is that the dominant theory is that it came from a military base in Kansas, which trained soldiers to be deployed in Europe.

As for the measures, those two papers suggest that they did manage to decrease the death rates. Which makes sense.

Now, going back to the OP, I don't think we should panic and since there's a vaccine I also think lockdowns are unnecessary at this stage.
#15201020
Potemkin wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UDfAdHBtK_Q


That's what I 've been thinking
By B0ycey
#15201021
wat0n wrote:My understanding is that the dominant theory is that it came from a military base in Kansas, which trained soldiers to be deployed in Europe.


It is generally accepted it came from the trenches. The first recorded case is different to the first case just so there is no confusion.

As for the measures, those two papers suggest that they did manage to decrease the death rates. Which makes sense.


They slowed down the infection rate, which makes sense. And got caught with their pants down when they opened up. I know people want SF to have been a success, but it wasn't. Or not to the extent of prevention and economic prosperity. They flattened the curve. That is it. Anything else and then we are getting to the realm of wishful thinking.
By Rich
#15201096
Potemkin wrote:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UDfAdHBtK_Q

The spirit of the Who the other 60s bands as well as punk and the early dance music pioneers of the late 1980s really lives on.

What I loved about the Who, Black Sabbath and Led Zeppelin was that they all slavishly followed medical advice when it came to what medications to take or not take. Jimmy Hendrix, Jim Morrrison, Janice Joppelin were all famous for their demands that people listen to the experts when it came to how one lived one's life. One things for sure if Woodstock had been taking place during a flu pandemic it would have been cancelled straight away.

There were very similar attitudes amongst punks. my memories of pogoing are that it was always socially distanced. There was rarely any kind of direct human contact in the Mosh Pits, but if there was it was only after explicit, preferably written consent, to physical contact and both parties had had a through set of medical tests. The Punk dress code was particularly strict on having no sharp protrusions or pins that might hurt another person. Another thing I particularly loved about Punk gigs is that no one would ever spit. I believe there is a even a recording of Hugh Cornwall expressing his appreciation of this fact. I would also like to mention X-Ray spex's tireless campaigning to get young people to take sterilisation and sanitisation more seriously.

And then there's the great liberal hero, perhaps saint would be a better word, Freddie Mercury, he would never in a million years have engaged in activities that put himself or others at risk of sickness. He would never in a million years have put his own selfish pleasure before the collective good as decided by the establishment experts.

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