Unthinking Majority wrote:An adult in a coma hooked up to machines to survive that has a great chance to come out of that coma is still considered a human. A fetus is not a kidney, it's a stupid argument. At 12 weeks all vital organs are in place and it's had a heartbeat for weeks.
But that machine is another woman being in this case. A human, a woman. If I connected someone with weak heart to your aorta so your heart kept the other guy alive, how much would you fancy that you didn't have a say on when to stop...
Heartbeat is not a measurement of whether it is a baby or not. And we know this because if we take out that 12 week out collection of tissue incapable of sustaining life on its own. How can you call a collection of tissue a heart when it cannot keep the person alive? How can you call a collection of tissue a lung when it is incapable of breathing? How can you call something a brain when it does not have appropriate nerve tracks?
It might have the potential to eventually become a baby... so does a single sperm, I guess every time you masturbate you are literally aborting billions of babies.
An adult dying naturally is different than someone killing that person unnaturally. What's your point? Hey crib death happens sometimes so its ok to kill your 2 month old baby sitting in the crib?
LOL what sort of standard is that. It is less painful, less important, less significant, if it is natural vs assisted?
I guess if you come to my hospital and drop dead, I should not do CPR on you because "it was a natural death"? How should I dare revive you from your natural death? Why would I give you an "unnatural" aspirin to prevent a "natural" stroke? or heart attack? Why take an "unnatural" COVID vaccine, to protect you from the natural COVID?
Those things are child abuse and should be illegal.
What? Drinking alcohol during pregnancy?
Where would you stop the line? Alcohol is teratogenic, it can cause harm to the unborn child. So lets criminalize a mother from drinking alcohol right? How about medications? We can criminalize those as well? Mother has seizure? Too bad, anti-seizure medications can cause harm to the fetus, I guess that incubator mother must suffer some extra seizures and some extra brain damage to protect the fetus.
But why stop at medications? We should ensure the optimal health status of the mother, so we must forcefeed that mother the best quality food. If the mother is a picky eater and does not like vegetables? TOO FUCKING BAD, we will put a tube on her stomach and feed her some green shit. And if the mother is vegan? Cannot afford to be b12 and iron deficient, must force-feed some cow meat to that mother....
We must also ensure the mother is doing the right amount of exercise, we will force the mother to exercise 30mins a day, but we will also prohibit that she does anything risky, so the moment she is diagnosed with a pregnancy, she should put her life in hold, no more hiking, no more jumping around, etc.
Sure, perhaps it is whataboutism. But it does not make it any less real. How much is spent in this country for this abortion nonsense? Billions, thats the answer. You know how many people you can feed or cure of mundane, deadly diseases (and/or prevent them) with such resources? I am sorry but I don't buy for a second that you care about human life. A 5-year-old parasite-stricken boy is an actual human being, a 12-week fetus is a far less certain case.
wat0n wrote:Why is or isn't a fetus a person?
This is an irrelevant question. Let's say it is. Should you be forced to keep me alive by connecting your arteries and veins to mines? If my rights to live (and I think it is indisputable that i am "a person") cannot override your rights of body autonomy. Why do you think a fetus, not even born, has MORE rights than I do?