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Unfortunately, the victim has to go to jail. Incarcerating pregnant women is the only way to ensure they do not murder their child.
SpecialOlympian wrote:Unfortunately, the victim has to go to jail. Incarcerating pregnant women is the only way to ensure they do not murder their child.
wat0n wrote:If a woman has an abortion there's no way to turn it back. The rights she'll see being limited as a result of going to jail will be, among others, freedom of association - exactly as it is happening to the unvaccinated in countries like Austria and Germany. So under your reasoning, banning abortion would not affect a woman's right to bodily autonomy but other rights.
So under your reasoning, banning abortion
...And pushed into vaccinating is not? Nonsense.
Again, vaccination is not compulsory by law.
ckaihatsu wrote:wat0n, we all know that you love to play devil's advocate, but I think in this instance, in particular, it's really starting to look in poor taste -- *are* you really anti-vax? It's not fun-and-games here.
Not at all. It does illustrate though that the bodily autonomy argument can only go so far, at least that one does not convince me too much when the usual suspects (you know who, if you read those threads) defend not getting immunized.
Because of that, I can understand why those who believe a fetus is a person are not convinced by it either. For them, an abortion is killing a person and they are simply acting in consequence.
Banning abortion is a direct violation of body autonomy for pregnant people.
SCOTUS allows the forcing of women to bring a child to term
And for the umteenth time. You are asserting a right to "body autonomy" that does not exist and never has.
For example. In the first 13 weeks (give or take) the SCOTUS has said a woman has the right to choose. This has nothing to do with what you call "body autonomy". It has to do with a decision by the authorities as to when viability begins.
A man does not have the "right" to your so-called "body autonomy". He can be drafted and forced at the threat of imprisonment or even death to sacrifice his body and even his very life to the government. And yes, the US still has a draft.
No person has "body autonomy" anyway. For example, one can easily survive on one kidney, and a kidney can bring as much as $200,000.00. Never the less it is against the law to sell one's kidney.
It is illegal in four states to offer surrogate pregnancy.
So I have clearly shows withconcrete examples, that no such thing as "body autonomy" exists as a right.
So add to that the fact that the SCOTUS allows the forcing of women to bring a child to term and that is the end of it. We already know that you do not agree with them. A great many people don't. That does not alter the fact that there is, at least in the US, no right to "body autonomy".
wat0n wrote:In fact, some vaccines are mandatory for public school entry in all states.Yes, and you still have the right to not get a vaccine. You just give up the privilege of an education. You also have the right not to carry ID, but you might be denied access to a drinking establishment, because of it.
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