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At one point in time (at least in America) they referred to themselves as "Liberals", but what type of freedom is it exactly that they actually want? I think they mostly just want lots of free stuff, and sexual and psychedelic freedoms...

They have to constantly find and rail against tiny microagressions that existed in traditional society, all the while actually creating new forms of oppression by "banning" more things, or creating new "rights" which inherently infringe on the rights of others, often a business owner.

Just a constant need to "progress" and change and upturning the traditional way of doing things. (For example, ratcheting up laws against cigarettes, while at the same time liberalizing laws on cannabis, how else does one explain that?)

So many more ironies, like viewing police as the evil oppressors but also at the same time advocating police be the only ones allowed to have weapons and use force. Which is the end result of the mentality of abrogating away responsibility from the individual to government to solve all our problems. It's a mentality that almost views people as children to the parent of collectivism.
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They are idealists, but also realists to a degree. They know they cannot get people to adopt their ideals without using force.
#15199404
Conservatives are also realists. They know they can't enforce their worldview on the majority without a significant use of force, and are actively seeking ways to do just that.
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quetzalcoatl wrote:Conservatives are also realists. They know they can't enforce their worldview on the majority without a significant use of force, and are actively seeking ways to do just that.

Using force to make people do and think what you want them to isn't a progressive or conservative trait. Lots of people love to be control-freak authoritarians.
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Puffer Fish wrote:At one point in time (at least in America) they referred to themselves as "Liberals", but what type of freedom is it exactly that they actually want?

Essentially, freedom to rather than freedom of.
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Puffer Fish wrote:
At one point in time (at least in America) they referred to themselves as "Liberals", but what type of freedom is it exactly that they actually want?

I think they mostly just want lots of free stuff, and sexual and psychedelic freedoms...

They have to constantly find and rail against tiny microagressions that existed in traditional society

Just a constant need to "progress" and change and upturning the traditional way of doing things. (For example, ratcheting up laws against cigarettes, while at the same time liberalizing laws on cannabis, how else does one explain that?)

So many more ironies, like viewing police as the evil oppressors but also at the same time advocating police be the only ones allowed to have weapons and use force. Which is the end result of the mentality of abrogating away responsibility from the individual to government to solve all our problems. It's a mentality that almost views people as children to the parent of collectivism.



Different generations want different things.

I wouldn't call that thinking.

Blacks live shorter lives dues to the stress of racism..

Cigarettes kill, pot does not. The idea is to make life better. In a lot of ways, we have.

Ahhh, so we're actually Communists.

You're an adorable fruitcake, never change..
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“The core idea was, psychedelics are this unitive, mystical state—you realize we're all connected, and we have more in common than different,” said Rick Doblin, the founder of the Multidisciplinary Association for Psychedelic Studies (MAPS), in a recent GQ interview. “Then, politics changes. That was the animating vision. The antidote to genocide, to environmental destruction, was the sense of connection. Not just the idea of it, but the felt experience of it.” There’s also a historical correlation of psychedelics to the counterculture movement in the 1960s and ’70s, a time rife with anti-war, environmental, women’s movement, and civil rights protests.

But broadcasting that psychedelics will automatically have these universal progressive effects on a larger scale, that they will turn everyone into a liberal, or that they will bring about a mythical utopia, could have serious consequences that could undermine psychedelics’ benefits.



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